Marriage feedback [inofficial Poll]

[Eagleheart]

Please fill me in on how this applies at all to a fictional world? Female characters cannot bear children in the game, therefore, what you say brings doesn't matter in the slightest.

Because the issue was brought up citing real-world feelings and trends.

In what way does this being a fantasy world mean that homosexual coupling is somehow more valid than it is in reality?

You're looking for recognition and validation where none can exist. That's the truth. o.0 That is the simple truth. Human beings interact as a male and female in order to propogate the race.

A male and a male cannot accomplish this, nor should they be honored as being capable of doing so, it is a lie. Nor can a female and a female. Why must we pretend otherwise in any other setting?

[charlemagne]

There is no discrimination at work here.

Marriage is a sacrament going back many thousands of years binding a man and woman together - supposedly permanently, but nowadays we like to cheapen the meaning of marriage - into wedlock where they are exclusive to one another, and form the core of the human familial unit.

A homosexual pairing can not accomplish this. It has no reproductive value. It is not the same thing, nor should it be treated as such, no matter how much the "gender identity" politics/wishcasting of the world may change.

You don't even have to be religious to realize how this rails against nature itself. Darwinism also precludes this idea, and recognizes it as ultimately self-destructive to the race. Why should it be honored as is actual marriage?

Not that anyone honors it anymore, but we won't make any societal progress by doubling down on that.

Old does not equal right. Sexism is old, rascism is old,slavery is old.
Also marriage predates those religions which now try to define it in their terms. They have no right to do so for anyone who does not follow their religion.

[Nuinn]

I could not agree more. There's nothing 'progressive' about it.

SquareEnix has my respect for leaving gay marriage out of the game.

Except, they will most likely include it. . . . so, my question is, will you disrespect SE for doing that, and how will it affect your gaming experience?

[Eagleheart]

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During the Valentine's day event, same-sex characters could become the most loving couples on the server. The system didn't differentiate in any way, and Yoshi nor any in-game system acknowledged a "difference" in either way. And because of this, any potential haters either didn't notice or didn't care, because it could be chalked up to "it's just a game"

I wish they could have just quietly added it ; ;

But now that they've publicly stated that they may add it later, they've simultaneously acknowledged a difference, and that is the same as being against it because it places it in a different light and encourages unnecessary debate over whether our fictional sexless Barbie and Ken dolls can get married.

I mean the fact that at least 50% of MMO players play as a different gender than their own already slaps the issue in it's face in a realistic sense. Haters are quick to bash same-sex options, but they conveniently ignore that fact that most of the population (themselves included) is trans-gendered.

Invalid and overreaching. The overwhelming majority of men enjoy looking at women. 0.o That is basically normal behavior, nothing transsexual about it. This is simply an attempt to paint dissidents into a corner where a corner does not exist.

I say this as a male playing a male.

[KiriA500]

Because the issue was brought up citing real-world feelings and trends.

In what way does this being a fantasy world mean that homosexual coupling is somehow more valid than it is in reality?

You're looking for recognition and validation where none can exist. That's the truth. o.0 That is the simple truth. Human beings interact as a male and female in order to propogate the race.

A male and a male cannot accomplish this, nor should they be honored as being capable of doing so, it is a lie. Nor can a female and a female. Why must we pretend otherwise in any other setting?

So, not only do homosexuals not matter as human beings, but now heterosexual people who are unable to bear children themselves! Wow, that sucks a lot! Sure must be great being perfect and straight!

You are right though, no two males/females could ever love each other the way a male and female can love each other. It's not like the addition of marriage into Eorzea is allowing us to have sex and reproduce anyway. It's just a stupid way some people want to show each other that they love one another.

But whatever, show us all about love by hating. That's the true way to stick it to all the gays!

[Eagleheart]

Old does not equal right. Sexism is old, rascism is old,slavery is old.
Also marriage predates those religions which now try to define it in their terms. They have no right to do so for anyone who does not follow their religion.

As mentioned previously, this has less to do with religion and more to do with realizing that this coddling of the homosexual experience is ultimately destructive to the human race. The population of many Western civilizations are teetering on collapse at this point, with replacement levels far below what is required to maintain current populations. As a result, these nations are spending themselves into oblivion, with an increasingly taxed societal safety net being paid for by fewer and fewer children.

This has nothing to do with slavery, either. You are free to behave in your bedroom as you see fit - that does not mean that your decisions about your personal behavior are valid, or match up with what is, by your own admission, an ancient custom that 'predates those religions which try to define it in their terms.' Why then do you seek to be admitted to that ancient, outdated custom?

[Reika]

So, not only do homosexuals not matter as human beings, but now heterosexual people who are unable to bear children themselves! Wow, that sucks a lot! Sure must be great being perfect and straight!

You are right though, no two males/females could ever love each other the way a male and female can love each other. It's not like the addition of marriage into Eorzea is allowing us to have sex and reproduce anyway. It's just a stupid way some people want to show each other that they love one another.

But whatever, show us all about love by hating. That's the true way to stick it to all the gays!

............. but what if they did add sex and child bearing in? I think that would be interesting. Then again, adventureres wouldnt have children. couldnt do any adventuring then!

[KiriA500]

As mentioned previously, this has less to do with religion and more to do with realizing that this coddling of the homosexual experience is ultimately destructive to the human race. The population of many Western civilizations are teetering on collapse at this point, with replacement levels far below what is required to maintain current populations. As a result, these nations are spending themselves into oblivion, with an increasingly taxed societal safety net being paid for by fewer and fewer children.

This has nothing to do with slavery, either. You are free to behave in your bedroom as you see fit - that does not mean that your decisions about your personal behavior are valid, or match up with what is, by your own admission, an ancient custom that 'predates those religions which try to define it in their terms.' Why then do you seek to be admitted to that ancient, outdated custom?

Where's the part about polygonal models in a virtual world? You left that part out.

[Keith_Dragoon]

Eagleheart your point would be valid only if by allowing same sex unions everyone would choose to just marry someone of the same sex. It is not and would never play out that way because people do not choose to be gay they are born that way so while they cannot procreate with their partners they still feel the same love you would for a woman and share all the same bond.

Making it so they cannot wed is also not progressive because the way the world works is by change, NOTHING can progress without change. that's the law of life, if everything stayed the same as it did hundreds of years ago half the stuff we have today whether it be technology or medical advances would be non-existent and maybe just maybe we would not be alive ourselves.

[Eagleheart]

So, not only do homosexuals not matter as human beings, but now heterosexual people who are unable to bear children themselves! Wow, that sucks a lot! Sure must be great being perfect and straight!

You are right though, no two males/females could ever love each other the way a male and female can love each other. It's not like the addition of marriage into Eorzea is allowing us to have sex and reproduce anyway. It's just a stupid way some people want to show each other that they love one another.

But whatever, show us all about love by hating. That's the true way to stick it to all the gays!

I hate no one. In fact, I think I have too much love for humanity in general, it keeps me up at night.

Simply because I care about each and every person, I cannot conform to an easy lie. It is destructive to mankind in general, and that is worrisome to me. I have no hate for anyone o.o only concern. Telling the truth is rarely popular, and I accept that.