skirmish: increase difficulty lvl.

[Ingolf]

Then use your "common sense" to logically prove me wrong. I'm waiting.


So you've memorized my posts. Again, I'm flattered.

...and I do stand my ground when somebody tries to call me out. So what?

Re-read any of Raikki's posts. That summarized what you were wrong about. You even changed your statement because you realized that people who are better than you, knew that you were making up bullshit justifications to be gimp.

And no, I haven't memorized your posts. I put you on the stupid side of the spectrum though, after skimming through your various ass drippings from before. I'm currently reading posts from people that are on Balmung and say how terrible you are. They were laughing at your bravado in this thread. They pretty much said that you start a load of shit with people, whine with the mods and then a ton of posts get deleted. It's what you're known for.

[Molly_Millions]

Re-read any of Raikki's posts. That summarized what you were wrong about.

You mean like the one where he agreed with me in that you can generate as much enmity with a suboptimal meld on a giantsgall compared to suboptimal stats when using Garuda's Scream?

[Raikki]

You mean like the one where he agreed with me in that you can generate as much enmity with a suboptimal meld on a giantsgall compared to suboptimal stats when using Garuda's Scream?

I have no reason to question the claim that you can produce similar enmity, but it's ridiculous to dismiss the very significant damage difference shown by your own numbers. They show that giantsgall is most certainly not "just as good for tanking" as scream, because an important part of being a good tank is doing as much damage as you can. In some posts you conceded the damage issue, and in others you returned to claiming that they don't matter and that enmity is the only stat that matters to tanking. I really don't know what's even being argued anymore or why.

[Molly_Millions]

I have no reason to question the claim that you can produce similar enmity, but it's ridiculous to dismiss the very significant damage difference shown by your own numbers. They show that giantsgall is most certainly not "just as good for tanking" as scream, because an important part of being a good tank is doing as much damage as you can. In some posts you conceded the damage issue, and in others you returned to claiming that they don't matter and that enmity is the only stat that matters to tanking. I really don't know what's even being argued anymore or why.

The problem here is that you are clinging to a phrase and not the implications of it. Damage doesn't matter if the BLMs are pulling hate off the tank. In those cases you need to generate more enmity, and I showed mathmatically how it's possible to generate more enmity with a GG axe depending on your other gear. Everyone is arguing that claim is wrong, you even agreed with it yourself.

If you have optimal gear for Garuda's Scream (ie. 350 str and 320 VIT, or the equivilent via attack power) then it is the best axe besides a Relic. But if you have sub-optimal gear, the GG axe with a good enmity meld can be better. This is the same claim I've been making, worded differently. Folks on the other side of this discussion are trying to claim otherwise. I want logic and mathmatical proof why they think thier claim holds weight, I have not yet seen any.

[Raikki]

The problem here is that you are clinging to a phrase and not the implications of it. Damage doesn't matter if the BLMs are pulling hate off the tank. In those cases you need to generate more enmity, and I showed mathmatically how it's possible to generate more enmity with a GG axe depending on your other gear. Everyone is arguing that claim is wrong, you even agreed with it yourself.

0.3% enmity (your spreadsheet's claim) isn't going to make any difference in whether you keep or lose hate. I know you'd want to come back with "but with a better meld..." but when you're already arguing based on having low stats, why would you blow up more Giantsgall weapons when you could be melding yourself better stats onto cheaper gear in other slots, thus increasing your enmity and your damage much more significantly.

[Molly_Millions]

0.3% enmity (your spreadsheet's claim) isn't going to make any difference in whether you keep or lose hate. I know you'd want to come back with "but with a better meld..." but when you're already arguing based on having low stats, why would you blow up more Giantsgall weapons when you could be melding yourself better stats onto cheaper gear in other slots, thus increasing your enmity and your damage much more significantly.

If you have Garuda's Scream, I don't see why you wouldn't but that's not the arguement I've been making. Like I said, I got Garuda's scream on friday night and did that very thing, changed a ring to reach the STR cap. But I was only able to reach that cap because I have triple melded STR gloves, most people don't have such gloves. I think it's probably a toss up which may be cheaper, triple melded STR gloves or a double melded GG axe. I've blown up 40+ pairs of gloves trying to get another pair so that I can also hit the VIT cap, which has cost several million and I still don't have them. Is that cheaper than farming a GG axe for a double meld? Probably not.

Also 0.034 is 3.4% not .34%.

[Raikki]

If you have Garuda's Scream, I don't see why you wouldn't but that's not the arguement I've been making. Like I said, I got Garuda's scream on friday night and did that very thing, changed a ring to reach the STR cap.

Also 0.034 is 3.4% not .34%.

Whoops, I gave the wrong number. I meant 0.1% not 0.3%. Check your spreadsheet again.

"Total Enmity":
Giantsgall War Axe M2 (+34 enm): 1067.30
Garuda's Scream: 1066.1

1067.30 / 1066.1 = 1.0011 (100.11%)

[Pretz]

The problem here is that you are clinging to a phrase and not the implications of it. Damage doesn't matter if the BLMs are pulling hate off the tank. In those cases you need to generate more enmity, and I showed mathmatically how it's possible to generate more enmity with a GG axe depending on your other gear. Everyone is arguing that claim is wrong, you even agreed with it yourself.

If you have optimal gear for Garuda's Scream (ie. 350 str and 320 VIT, or the equivilent via attack power) then it is the best axe besides a Relic. But if you have sub-optimal gear, the GG axe with a good enmity meld can be better. This is the same claim I've been making, worded differently. Folks on the other side of this discussion are trying to claim otherwise. I want logic and mathmatical proof why they think thier claim holds weight, I have not yet seen any.

Let's conceed that your Giantsgall produces more enmity when compared to a Garuda's Scream. When making that comparison you must assume that everything else remains constant (other gear, equal method of hate gain, equal party member gear and hate, etc).

The part that you're not taking into account is that if you deal less damage, then your DD's have 'increased' hate gain, not equal. If you are doing less damage, then your target has more HP that your DD's have to make up for. So, if everything is constant with you except for your Axe change, then there is a scenario in some fights where a BLM needs to cast extra spells or whatever, and that is the tipping point where the capability to deal more damage is more valuable then the enmity you receive for doing it.