SE stop doing the "norm"

[Velhart]

Im not going to call you names. I just wanted you to admit it, which you seem to have done, finally.

Was it really that hard? You know, you could have saved everyone a lot of effort and admitted it to begin with rather than being in denial and asking for "sources" etc.

Thankfully now I can see there is a level of awareness, though. In the future, stop being in denial because it's actually just really annoying and makes me have to spell everything out for you constantly.

This is how you define ignorance and arrogance in one post. What is exactly in denial? We are not saying that 2.0 will be successful, we have no way of determining that as you have no way of knowing that it won't be successful. We can say however that it has known successful features to it that definitely gives it the potential to be a success. Where is your time machine that let you travel in the future and fully determine how this game is going to turn out? I would love to get in that machine because I am tired of waiting for this game.

So far all I see in your argument is "WoW Clone". You truly believe this alone is what will destroy it? There are plenty of successful MMO's that use the MMO standard formula with success. Don't have the numbers WoW does, but at this point it is almost impossible for other companies to get to those numbers, especially with the amount of MMO's coming out, players are spread out. WoW was there at the right place at the right time with the right brand.

Its all about taking unique approaches within a familiar system. This is what hooks your hardcore audience, and your new players in. FFXIV's unique approach (so far) is it's Armory System and PS3 cross platform. While DC Universe Online got to that first, there are simply not many console MMO's out there, already making it appealing to those who don't have PC gaming machines, but still love online games and Final Fantasy. Actually one of the biggest reasons FFXI was such a success was that it was on the PS2 platform.

We don't know what else the game has in store for us. We really have gotten the bare minimum of information and videos only show tid bits of the battle system, we don't know it's full potential nor does it show how we interact with large scale combat.

Since it uses the WoW UI configuration doesn't mean it will do everything they do. I look at it as using successful and much needed traits of the genre itself to help bring out a unique experience.

In short, play the game before judging it. Being cynical to a game not even in alpha stage yet isn't really giving it a fair chance.

[Starlord]

Im not going to call you names. I just wanted you to admit it, which you seem to have done, finally.

Was it really that hard? You know, you could have saved everyone a lot of effort and admitted it to begin with rather than being in denial and asking for "sources" etc.

Thankfully now I can see there is a level of awareness, though. In the future, stop being in denial because it's actually just really annoying and makes me have to spell everything out for you constantly.

What exactly did I admit to you exactly? I always have said that FFXIV 2.0 will have WoW's UI feel to it. I never admitted to FFXIV ARR being a WOW clone, I only said they copied the UI nothing more nothing less. The story/music/environments/Chocobos/Airships/Moogles etc etc, all that is coming straight from SE. Nothing else is being copied, and I have said this numerous of times.

[Xmbei]

he was being a tool and prodding you saying that you called yourself a white knight which is not what you did, but just made me look less credible on these threads by as said before being ignorant and arrogant. I didn't like how he handled it either it was rather childish.

[Lirion]

People still read bobbygunz posts?

[VitoScaletta]

57 pages about a game not even out yet what is this i dont even

[ZakarnRosewood]

"Stop doing the norm!"

"I want an Auction House!"

lmao!

[Shougun]

"Stop doing the norm!"

"I want an Auction House!"

lmao!

XD, most people mean single window, organized, filtered, fast responding buy/sell system. Bidding is all that makes an AH anyways.

Though I do have to say that there is a line of taking and making - since SE started quite low in a lot of areas Yoshi has had to "take" a lot, we will get to see his making skills as more systems are described in ARR and as we move from ARR to expansions.

[Jaimie]

I won't comment on the lack of a real AH, instead, here's some interesting reading for ya

http://kotaku.com/5724989/why-minecr...o-damn-popular

[bobbygunz]

What is exactly in denial?

Okay, allow me to explain. In the course of this thread, many people (*cough* starlord) denied SE's game design principle which states that FFXIV will try to standardise and standardise alone. To think otherwise was something tantamount to denial since the developers have basically stated that's all they will do with ARR on release, to which I provided evidence corroborating this. That's what I meant by denial.

I don't mean to crush people's expectations/dreams, I was just reproducing statements made by developers. Don't shoot the messenger.

We are not saying that 2.0 will be successful, we have no way of determining that as you have no way of knowing that it won't be successful. We can say however that it has known successful features to it that definitely gives it the potential to be a success. Where is your time machine that let you travel in the future and fully determine how this game is going to turn out? I would love to get in that machine because I am tired of waiting for this game.

It has potential to succeed. Sure. And true no one has a time machine. But doesn't it therefore have potential to fail too?

Yoshi once said that he believes MMOs are like themeparks, the reason his might fail is because it has only 2 dated attractions. That was the crux of my point. That it's not trying to stand out. Beyond things we had at release of 1.0 (like the armory system, crafting systems) SE just aren't pushing boundaries.

Neptune once suggested that SE should be a market leader, rather than a market peer. And I feel like that just needs repeating. All SE are doing is resting on their laurels, imitating WoW, and while I don't think that alone will make it fail, just copying WoW's features might not bode so well and kind of reeks of a lack of ambition.

In short, play the game before judging it. Being cynical to a game not even in alpha stage yet isn't really giving it a fair chance.

I haven't given the game a rating out of ten yet, I was just expressing concern over their lack of ambition.

[Starlord]

In the course of this thread, many people (*cough* starlord) denied SE's game design principle which states that FFXIV will try to standardise and standardise alone.

Again, I didn't "deny" anything, I agree on one aspect and that is the UI. You think the whole game is going to become another WoW, it's fine to think that in your own opinion, but don't shove down peoples throats of your way of thinking is 100% fact. Express your opinion without being aggressive person about it.