[Suggestion] Fashion/Vanity Slots.

[ShivenCasull]

Would happen the other way as well lol. Besides we have people turning off their helmets as well, have a group of people in awesome tank gear and then one person wants to rebel out with their head or weapon gone. Y U NO HAVE GEAR?

I wish you weren't serious, but comparing /display head off to an entire set of vanity gear is a stretch.

It would have no effect on people who choose not to particpate in the V-system, as their gear would be the same toggled or not.

This really comes down to -forcing- other players to look differently than they choose. You have to look at our character's anyway so arguing that a vanity system is forcing you to look at a different set of armor...

[moriandrio]

I wish you weren't serious, but comparing /display head off to an entire set of vanity gear is a stretch.

It would have no effect on people who choose not to particpate in the V-system, as their gear would be the same toggled or not.

This really comes down to -forcing- other players to look differently than they choose. You have to look at our character's anyway so arguing that a vanity system is forcing you to look at a different set of armor...

In the end you will never know how i see you, maybe i do some .dat modding and you run around in PUP af on my screen you will never know it...
And a few posts ago was the main reason why a toggle is not that bad. It's not the ppl that wan't to use the Vanity system to have a gearset that fits together it's cause of the ppl that will run around as clown cause they know there are ppl getting annoyed by it. As long you don't pay my sub it should be my decision if i turn it on or off.

[Shougun]

I wish you weren't serious, but comparing /display head off to an entire set of vanity gear is a stretch.

It would have no effect on people who choose not to particpate in the V-system, as their gear would be the same toggled or not.

This really comes down to -forcing- other players to look differently than they choose. You have to look at our character's anyway so arguing that a vanity system is forcing you to look at a different set of armor...

It is a different set. You get stats and properties from one, and looks from another. Those are two separate entities.

And yes, sometimes people /head or /weapon ruins a good cohesive screenshot (or sometimes its the other way around and you want everyone to have their helmets off). In 2.0 it will be even more complex as people can raise / lower their helmet visors and perhaps hoods.

Good screenshots are almost always products of teamwork, so vanity or not you wont get a good screenshot without people working together on settings.

[ShivenCasull]

In the end you will never know how i see you, maybe i do some .dat modding and you run around in PUP af on my screen you will never know it...
And a few posts ago was the main reason why a toggle is not that bad. It's not the ppl that wan't to use the Vanity system to have a gearset that fits together it's cause of the ppl that will run around as clown cause they know there are ppl getting annoyed by it. As long you don't pay my sub it should be my decision if i turn it on or off.

I just posted a reason why that's false. If you post a screenshot on your lodestone I do get to see how I look on your screen. (Not to mention, you guys keep saying .dat modding was cool, but I'm pretty sure it's a violation of the TOS to mod any game files. Even if SE was terrible at cracking down in XI)

With a few minor restrictions the fear of people ruining immersion are also dismissable.

[Firon]

People gonna wear stupid shit with or without Vanity slots end of story.

[moriandrio]

So what would happen if I take a screenshot, spend a few minutes with Photoshop on your appearance and then post it, same result. Posting SS is no reason against a toggle cause same result can happen on so many different ways and you cant avoid anyway.

But ppl won't wear stuff which sacrifice their stats without the system

[Shougun]

I just posted a reason why that's false. If you post a screenshot on your lodestone I do get to see how I look on your screen. (Not to mention, you guys keep saying .dat modding was cool, but I'm pretty sure it's a violation of the TOS to mod any game files. Even if SE was terrible at cracking down in XI)

They really didnt care about it. The only thing you had to worry about is when you updated sometimes the files would get replaced and you'd have to patch it again. I'm pretty sure they took some ideas of those mod sites as well.

With a few minor restrictions the fear of people ruining immersion are also dismissable.

I care what is seen is what is, the idea breaks this (though this isnt the popular reason for a toggle button - just my personal reasons). Most commonly there is the "people looking stupid" issue, which can be mostly fixed by restricting the system. But restricting the system too much and you already have what we have now.. so its just better to add a toggle and allow "a little more freedom" then perhaps what would normally be allowed in such a system (still excluding seasonals though).

[ShivenCasull]

I care what is seen is what is, the idea breaks this (though this isnt the popular reason for a toggle button - just my personal reasons). Most commonly there is the "people looking stupid" issue, which can be mostly fixed by restricting the system. But restricting the system too much and you already have what we have now.. so its just better to add a toggle and allow "a little more freedom" then perhaps what would normally be allowed in such a system.

Here is where we'll just have to agree to disagree. I personally have never liked having my character's development being soley reliant on getting "better gear". If I can complete the content, get the gear - why should my characters apperance make a difference to anyone else?

Unless you have issues with my purple DRG armor, then we'll just have to step outside. :P

[Shougun]

Here is where we'll just have to agree to disagree. I personally have never liked having my character's development being soley reliant on getting "better gear". If I can complete the content, get the gear - why should my characters apperance make a difference to anyone else?

Unless you have issues with my purple DRG armor, then we'll just have to step outside. :P

:P Even if your character looked badass - mentally I'm stuborn enough that a little voice would be saying "lie, lie lie lie lie - he doesnt have any of that crap on - its a big lie". Obviously not a problem for most people lol

I can stand ugly gear because I know it is ugly, and real. lol

I think a vanity system would be great, so long as I can turn if off when I need - specially in situations like PvP. Or if I am in a raid and I want to evaluate 10 people in 30 seconds instead of 10 people in 15 minutes.

Perhaps if the community is mature and with time I could grow to like the vanity system - but right now all I can think is how easy and how beneficial it would be to have a toggle. (it wouldn't load the server any more then having armor in general- and it wouldn't effect your play if someone had it on or not).

While true screenshots may be inconsistent so is it when people take a screenshot of you in mid animation making you look retarded. Getting people to get a good screenshot of you (as said previously) takes time and teamwork, specially in this game were you can't pause your animation ("hold the smile") and can barely get into place as your character moves too far.

[Zantetsuken]

People gonna wear stupid shit with or without Vanity slots end of story.

A vanity slot will mean that people will move all their stupid/outlandish/gimmicky outfits to the vanity system.

A toggle means that when Vanity is turned off, most of the stupid/outlandish/gimmicky looking stuff goes away and we just see people's real gear.

Win-Win


Funny, for as much as I've railed against it, I might actually prefer a vanity system with a toggle to no vanity system at all...