New Job System Incoming!!! - But what does this mean??

[Jericho]

The Equipped item for Conjurer and Thaumaturge are the Focus, their real weapon is their Delivery of magic which is Circle or Cone AOE respectively.

No... Their equipped items are staves, radicals, and scepters. Traits of the Thaumaturge and Conjurer JOBS (which are limited to those weapons) are the shape of their AoE casting.

I'm sorry, but you don't work for SE, you don't have a time machine, and I highly doubt you are some type of spy... You can speculate but there's no way you know exactly what SE was intending when they created the armoury system. It could very easily just mean "one weapon per job", which could be a big failing point to a lot of people.

I mostly like you, I like a lot of your ideas, and part of me wants to get behind them, but you really come across as too forceful with your opinions. Your opinions are not facts.

[Anathiel]

Was waiting for bluegartr or /b/ to pop up...and both in one post, well played sir.

I'm not sure what people are argue'ing (sp) about anymore. Wouldn't it be great if everybody pooled all their idea's together and made a 20,000 person strong thread instead of bickering? That's just my thoughts. Talent tree's are very feasible in carpe's system, we've just been referring to it by a different name. And carpe's system fits really well into kuro's system. Why the fight?

And the whole only one job should have one role? That's garbage, its outdated and needs to go away.

[Cairdeas]

Viable != being defined by the role of tanking.
There are classes that are tanks, and classes that can be viable for tanking in situational instances due to the utsusemi exploit and similar. That doesn't make them tanks.

God forbid we end up in FFXIV in the aberrant situation in which specialized tanks may be excluded from their own role because they deal less damage

Thief/Dancer doesn't have Utsusemi. 0.o How can it abuse it.

[Abriael]

And the whole only one job should have one role? That's garbage, its outdated and needs to go away.

Because that role is needed in an extremely limited number for each situation, unlike every other role. This means that the more jobs are able to perform that role, the more people that are *specialized* in that simply won't have a role.

Thief/Dancer doesn't have Utsusemi. 0.o How can it abuse it.

You missed the "and similar" part.

[Jericho]

Inversely Rangers are not limited to bows, Guns, crossbows, or throwing weapons though.

They are not traditionally. But it wouldn't bother me or, eventually, what I speculate as the majority of everyone else who plans on using a bow as a ranger.

[Kurokikaze]

From a designer/balance perspective. One job having one clearly defined role is a lot easier to manage content around. Than trying to plan for the unlikely combos that came out of FFXI.

DRK/NIN, NIN/DRK, BRD/NIN, RDM/WAR etc tanking Tiamat. <---- I've seen all of this first hand - not making this up.

[Cairdeas]

They are not traditionally. But it wouldn't bother me or, eventually, what I speculate as the majority of everyone else who plans on using a bow as a ranger.

I always used guns and Xbows as ranger so if it was limited to bows. especially after a Crossbow or Gun Weapon class was Released, I'd be a little upset. I don't think we need a system that segregates one part of the Job system from one part of the Armoury System and instead they all can mesh in what ever pattern you want. Some might not be effective as others but thats up to the players to decide not the developer at that point.

[Jinko]

Sounds like specialisation to me. (hopefully not sub jobs)

Conjurer - White Mage, Black Mage, Summoner (maybe one day)
Pugilist - White monk, Thief, Pirate
Gladiator - Dark Knight, Paladin

And so on.

[Cairdeas]

From a designer/balance perspective. One job having one clearly defined role is a lot easier to manage content around. Than trying to plan for the unlikely combos that came out of FFXI.

DRK/NIN, NIN/DRK, BRD/NIN, RDM/WAR etc tanking Tiamat. <---- I've seen all of this first hand - not making this up.

Ingenuity and Imagination should be fertilized not napalmed.

[Kurokikaze]

Ingenuity and Imagination should be fertilized not napalmed.

LOL that is all.