New NMs

[AdvancedWind]

Are you playing? Everyone has like 40+ Mil. You make money from leveling up. The economy is completely whaked and there is no way RMT can make any money because everyone is loaded and nothing is worth anything.

Yes, I am. I know you just assume everyone who disagrees with your views is not playing, but that's wrong. I play near daily, since release. I know I also used the 'you don't play' card in the last post, so I won't go further into this.

The fact is, despite "everyone" being rich (I personally got measly 17kk, just bought a vintage jester cap yesterday after getting nothing from Broken Water faction NM....again. By the way, faction NM gear is still pretty rare. ), there are RMTs and yes, there ARE people buying gil from RMTs.

Most earth and wind shards in the market are, in fact, being sold by rmt bots. Every once in a while you can spot a group of RMT bots walking around. Cassiopeia Hollow and some caves around the world are RMT botting paradise. I - KNOW - people who ***** bought some gil. I'm pretty sure that if you search around google for a while you will find some RMT site.

[Scarface]

Well the very first post was about 24hr HNM so we are discussing pros and cons of such content. That being said, I have to say that I agree that difficult content will eventually lose its challenge the more and more you do it but I don't think that the 21-24hr windowed HNM is the answer to that. I think that if you want some rare gears that are mostly for hardcore players, the relic system of FFXI is more the way to go.
Casuals will still be able to access to that (I said access not actually get them in any reasonnable time frame), camping haters won't be against it (as I am for example) as it is about collecting items for upgrades. Hardcore players will have them far far far before any casuals (So they feel special). Collecting those things don't seem to be a boring (although some sort of time sink) thing to me (you have to do something to get it and no need to wait for a long time even if a short cession).

I agree it's not the only way of doing it. For people to frankly say that it has no pro's completely throws me in a toilet bowl swirl.

Yes, I am. I know you just assume everyone who disagrees with your views is not playing, but that's wrong. I play near daily, since release. I know I also used the 'you don't play' card in the last post, so I won't go further into this.

The fact is, despite "everyone" being rich (I personally got measly 17kk, just bought a vintage jester cap yesterday after getting nothing from Broken Water faction NM....again. By the way, faction NM gear is still pretty rare. ), there are RMTs and yes, there ARE people buying gil from RMTs.

Most earth and wind shards in the market are, in fact, being sold by rmt bots. Every once in a while you can spot a group of RMT bots walking around. Cassiopeia Hollow and some caves around the world are RMT botting paradise. I - KNOW - people who ***** bought some gil. I'm pretty sure that if you search around google for a while you will find some RMT site.

RMTs aren't even a problem if they even do exist, honestly.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Flawed logic? Less sense? You're the one completely lying and making stuff up.

Right...
4,275 > 16,511

There is only one thing I have said that was misinformed based on a game I haven't played in years. Everyone makes mistakes. It doesn't change the fact of this thread; most people posting here disagree with a 24 hr pop window for NMs.

And lawl at your FFXIVpro score vs mine? That is your basis for proving your better than me. Laughable.

[Peregrine]

The whole thread boils down to the Perfection boys wanting to look pretty and unique, desperate for attention and respect they're never going to get any other way.

Here you go: for those who want to look pretty and unique, like snowflakes, in a mass market product
http://www.hottopic.com/hottopic/Homepage.jsp

[Keftenk]

Yes, I am. I know you just assume everyone who disagrees with your views is not playing, but that's wrong. I play near daily, since release. I know I also used the 'you don't play' card in the last post, so I won't go further into this.

The fact is, despite "everyone" being rich (I personally got measly 17kk, just bought a vintage jester cap yesterday after getting nothing from Broken Water faction NM....again. By the way, faction NM gear is still pretty rare. ), there are RMTs and yes, there ARE people buying gil from RMTs.

Most earth and wind shards in the market are, in fact, being sold by rmt bots. Every once in a while you can spot a group of RMT bots walking around. Cassiopeia Hollow and some caves around the world are RMT botting paradise. I - KNOW - people who ***** bought some gil. I'm pretty sure that if you search around google for a while you will find some RMT site.

Just reassessing this; the RMT on our server probably works like RMT on other servers. They group up in groups of 15, start a leve on 1 character, find the chest, then cancel the leve. 15 ppl get anywhere from 2-15k (depending on the chest). They rinse and repeat for each character with 8 leves each.

They also just run around in packs killing elementals for clusters, if a cluster drops, it goes to all 15, not just 1.

More recently, they pretty much just live in Nanawa Mines farming the bomb side-quest spawns for bomb ash.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Dunno why anyone is arguing this. It's just a loud mouthed minority who wants this. If this thread was overflowing with people like scar and Visch, I'd worry, but that's not the case. I do admire your stamina though.

[Isaaru]

Just because somebody figures out a strategy to a fight doesn't mean everyone can do it. I mean I know a few linkshells who can't take down the current NM's without having more than 8 people. A challenge will always be a challenge even with the proper strategy.

[Visch]

No I just think it's hilarious how you don't understand the concept of a challenge over having long respawn times.

Do you read? Here I'll help you.

Seriously... this isn't about "HARD" NMs. This isn't about making all drops come from 21-24hr NMs. This isn't about botting, or camping or TIME SINKS. This is about making gear rare, and this is ONE of the ways to do it.

Difficult instances eventually will not be difficult.
Low drop rate will always remain.
Time limitations will always remain.
Competition will always remain in 21-24hr NMs.

If 10 LSs are doing the same "rare gear" instance every week.. In a month, half the server is gear out.
If 10 LSs were competing over 1 mob every 21-24 hrs.. One LS will get lucky off the terrible drop rate and claim, and 3-4 people will have gear in a month...

This is about making gear rare, for the 27th time. Thanks.

There. Please stop bring the same stuff up before reading. Thanks.

Just because somebody figures out a strategy to a fight doesn't mean everyone can do it. I mean I know a few linkshells who can't take down the current NM's without having more than 8 people. A challenge will always be a challenge even with the proper strategy.

No it won't. If someone can kill it once they can kill it a million times.

the relic system of FFXI is more the way to go.

The relic system in XI was completely broken. No "casual" player ever had anywhere near the resources needed to obtain a relic.

The upgrading system is nice though if you know about what they did later with salvage. Instanced drops from 3 things + a decent amount of money = 1 piece of equipment.

But like everything else within a year most people had pieces if not the full set.

Where as things like D ring stayed extremely rare.

[Jinko]

Because CHALLENGING Content will eventually (1 month) not be a challenge and will be come routine, just like the mobs we have now. Make sense?

Well new gear will most likely make the challenge less challenging, but you do that challenge to get the gear, and then when you have the gear you no longer need to do the challenge, so they release new content and the cycle starts a new.

Most people want a challenge, not to feel more special than the stranger standing next to them outside Ul'Dah adv guild.

Edit:- also its worth mentioning that the majority of people want to try new and exciting content and not the same old content over and over and over until they are bored to tears.

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Because CHALLENGING Content will eventually (1 month) not be a challenge and will be come routine, just like the mobs we have now. Make sense?

Why does GEAR have to be RARE? Its more important to me to be among the first to accomplish something rather than proving I have more time than anyone to waste on camping content that you admit isn't challenging just time-consuming enough to make gear rare.