Critical Analysis: Relic Weapon Seal Acquisition

[Raikki]

But I do not want to be forced to do it with the SAME 8 people every time. That gets stale and old fast to me. I love meeting new people and making new friends. That is the whole point of a MMO no? If you want 8 man content and want to play with the same group of people day in and day out....umm that is not what I imagine when I think of a MMO....

You're missing the point. Wanting (and having) ample PUG content is fine. Asking for literally everything in the game to be easily PUGable is not fine. If NA PUG players were willing to play on the same level as JP PUGs, that would be different, but everyone knows how low the typical NA PUG skill level is. Even still, NA PUGs can handle almost everything in the game already.

Content in general needs to be made harder to PUG, not easier. Not because you shouldn't be able to PUG it, but because if you're going to PUG it you should at least be putting in as much effort as more serious players.

[Shougun]

No. Just no. Casualifying the game to the point that barely-capable-of-beating-Ifrit-level PUGs can do everything would absolutely destroy the game. You can PUG enough in the game already without demanding to be allowed to PUG relic weapons of all things. Let those of us who care about skill keep something to play for please.

Using a small group doesnt mean no skill. SE could have dynamic difficulties to ensure challange through a broader party spectrum.

Hamlet becoming more open in 2.0 is exciting for this though, I really hope they do it dynamically (within reason) otherwise it will be like the stupid fire dance. Either you got so many people you just stand around and watch or not enough and its guaranteed failure.

Assuming someone wants to do it in small to solo play has nothing to do with "Casualifying" the game. Like playing dark souls single player and then screaming Y SO CASUAL - no one would do that?

And I think the problem with NA PUGs is that most NA players are Linkshell Onry, so if you are a part of a Linkshell PUG (mix of a couple linkshells) you are probably in good hands, but a true non consistent PUG sometimes you have to worry lol.

[Raikki]

Assuming someone wants to do it in small to solo play has nothing to do with "Casualifying" the game.

Maybe there's a misunderstanding here, but when I read "I want to be able to PUG everything", it comes across as "I want content to be easy enough for my PUGs to beat" because that's the only thing holding back a PUG from doing everything. You can PUG anything in the game right now if the players are good enough. The only reason it's easier for dedicated linkshells (apart from scheduling) is because the typical NA PUG will always consist of people who are woefully underprepared for the content and aren't willing to invest enough effort into it. People like that should not be able to clear all the content in the game. That's all I'm saying.

[Babydoll]

You're missing the point. Wanting (and having) ample PUG content is fine. Asking for literally everything in the game to be easily PUGable is not fine. If NA PUG players were willing to play on the same level as JP PUGs, that would be different, but everyone knows how low the typical NA PUG skill level is. Even still, NA PUGs can handle almost everything in the game already.

Content in general needs to be made harder to PUG, not easier. Not because you shouldn't be able to PUG it, but because if you're going to PUG it you should at least be putting in as much effort as more serious players.

Yeah them making it easier would not fix anything >.< I don't want everything to be easy by any means, that just makes it more boring..I just want to be able to do hard stuff like how the JP do it seems. Yeah I agree the NA pug skill level is usually pretty poor, at least in FFXIV from my experience.

I am a very serious player and always try my best...I pay attention and would like to think I know how to play my jobs and I hope everyone who joins PUGs is the same way. I am a fast learner and usually can do things correct after being explained once. However in my experience that is not the case with the NA PUG groups I've joined...people just play as if they are half asleep and not paying attention. They just want to play casual and halfass everything then after wiping get frustrated and leave.

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Maybe there's a misunderstanding here, but when I read "I want to be able to PUG everything", it comes across as "I want content to be easy enough for my PUGs to beat"

Yeah that is not what I meant at all. >.< I do not want easy content. ;~; I want to be able to do what Charazard did with the JP. Keep the difficulty...by all means!!

typical NA PUG will always consist of people who are woefully underprepared for the content and aren't willing to invest enough effort into it. People like that should not be able to clear all the content in the game. That's all I'm saying.

Yes this...this is what I was trying to say!

[Zezlar]

It doesn't even take that long to get anymore. Didn't even have top 3 guaranteed seals or a platinum chest when our Linkshell did it. -.-

If anything the entire relic quest is too damn easy in terms of time spent and skill, which is probably why more people have relics than SE anticipated.

[Rau]

It doesn't even take that long to get anymore. Didn't even have top 3 guaranteed seals or a platinum chest when our Linkshell did it. -.-

If anything the entire relic quest is too damn easy in terms of time spent and skill, which is probably why more people have relics than SE anticipated.

Can of worms.

[Zezlar]

Can of worms.

Well they are redesigning the event for 2.0 so the entire discussion is probably moot, but i'm just calling it how I see it. Hamlet is a very tedious event, but it's not much more tedious then anything they've put us through so far. In the end it's not even that hard, and if you get top 3 it doesn't take long either.

[Churchill]

JP PUG skill is pretty awful as well, but then again, without that illusion you'd have nothing to put on a pedestal.

[fusional]

#3. The design of obtaining the relic weapon focuses on time spent and not the skill level of the player. It doesn't define skilled players from unskilled players, it separates players who have varying amounts of time on their hands.

people who haven't come anywhere close to the job faction leves or ifrit extreme keep saying this, and it keeps looking completely dumb every single time.

i personally am getting really tired of repeating myself, but here goes once more:

hamlet
seals
aren't
the
entire
picture

if you're actually able to get all your seals before 2.0, i really hope you get as far as ifrit extreme before the servers go down, because i'm really interested in seeing you return to this thread and tell us again how little player skill has to do with it. you make it sound like it's all grind that any no-lifer can accomplish, so surely you'll just breeze through the final steps.

i'd express concern about you getting carried and not fully understanding how challenging ifrit X is, but that doesn't seem like it will be an issue unless you pay another LS to run you through it.

sadly it's far more likely you won't get around to it until after 2.0, and you'll never get to see just how awful it is working around the server latency for NA/EU in that fight. so that's cool, i guess.

[Shougun]

people who haven't come anywhere close to the job faction leves or ifrit extreme keep saying this, and it keeps looking completely dumb every single time.

i personally am getting really tired of repeating myself, but here goes once more:

hamlet
seals
aren't
the
entire
picture

if you're actually able to get all your seals before 2.0, i really hope you get as far as ifrit extreme before the servers go down, because i'm really interested in seeing you return to this thread and tell us again how little player skill has to do with it. you make it sound like it's all grind that any no-lifer can accomplish, so surely you'll just breeze through the final steps.

i'd express concern about you getting carried and not fully understanding how challenging ifrit X is, but that doesn't seem like it will be an issue unless you pay another LS to run you through it.

sadly it's far more likely you won't get around to it until after 2.0, and you'll never get to see just how awful it is working around the server latency for NA/EU in that fight. so that's cool, i guess.

I dont think OP was even remotely referring to the Ifrit Extreme fight. Which even without latency would kill general parties lol.


[ Hamlet / Materia Melding | Ifirit Fight | Solo Spirit Binding ]

He was just talking about the first part.