Auction Houses vs. Market Wards

[Molly_Millions]

instable framerates, terracotta army, lags, zone crashes... and a disturbing step more to sell your items. that you can see armors before you buy it, that can be done without retainers who overcrowd areas.
(Guildwars for example or Lineage, AION blabla)

but well, you have your opinion i have mine. it has one good point.. it is mostly unique in the MMORPG genre. but that is more or less unique (some other mmorpgs have some kind of system like that too.. DAOC for example) does not make it better.

Auction houses crash too, it's unfortunate part of any system that deals with that much data. The framerate issues are on your end, you don't like it? turn your setting down.

[Felis]

What have people against market ward 2.0 except that we don't have much info about it?

All what i read is people complain about market ward 1.0

[xXHalloweenTrixXx]

Down with the market wards! One of the many reasons people quit the game was because of its horrible design.

[Alhanelem]

Did we really need another one of these topics??

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The "Market Wards" already have most 'auction house" features. Any remaining issues with the system can be addressed with improvements, adjustments and bug fixes. They don't need to "add an auction house," because we practically already have one. I could go into the specifics of what I think they need to do, but I've already done it so many times in other threads my head will asplode. So go read those other threads instead.

One of the many reasons people quit the game was because of its horrible design.

I don't know one person that quit the game "because" they didn't like the market wards. Anyone I know who quit the game because the whole game as a whole was terrible to them, or because it didn't appeal to them in the first place, or some combination of several reasons.

The fact is, they've done a lot to improve the system over the last year and it's getting close to where it needs to be. Certain frustrations in the process of listing an item for sale need to be addressed. Once that happens, everything will be fine. Again, for the specifics, see one of the other 2 billion threads on this topic.

[Dargoth_Draconia]

i dont get it what is wrong with the current Market Wards, what is it that is so iirk to you? It already has been cut down a lot to match as a Auction House.

What the hell is wrong with you people... .


What the hell is the difference now?

oh btw... save it for beta plzz.

Besides the fact that Market wards is complete garbage you mean? AH has designated spots where you can interact with it and do all your shopping there, no need to go find a ward to put a retainer in, search through 10 different wards from stand to stand to stand until you somehow get lucky enough to get a retainer in. The normal area for retainers in the wards is full 100% of the time. Also having to go into said market ward to edit your prices or add something is so yesterdecade. A simplified version of this would be an AH.

I am fine with not having an AH right at beginning of 2.0 but I hope by the time Ishguard gets implemented an AH will make an appearance and hopefully they can find some other way to utilize the retainer system.

[xXHalloweenTrixXx]

I said it before and I'll say it again. Market wards = 10 clicks just get put an item for sell:

-Click on menu to go into the market wards
-Choose which market ward your retainer is (if both your retainers are in the same ward, then good for you) if not you have to repeat this step to go to another ward were your 2nd retainer is.
-Wait for loading
-Click on retainer
-Click on exchange items
-Click on item you want to transfer from your inventory to the retainer inventory
-Get out of the exchange menu
-Now click on check bazaar menu
-Scroll through inventory to find item
-Click on item
-Click on quantity of items you want to sell
-Click on price you want to sell item for
-Click submit

AH = about 5 at most, if not less steps, to sell an item.

and to add insult to injury...

To check price trends so you know what price you will have to use to sell an item = a trip back and forward from market ward door to your retainer. AH = 1 window to see everything.

Thank you four outlining the hassle of the Market Wards. I give you my +1.

The people who are claiming the Market Wards isn't complete garbage obviously haven't played a game with a functional working AH or they are simply ignorant. The market wards is far more tedious to work with than a simple auction house, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice.... but you know some people....

[Alhanelem]

Thank you four outlining the hassle of the Market Wards. I give you my +1.

The people who are claiming the Market Wards isn't complete garbage obviously haven't played a game with a functional working AH or they are simply ignorant. The market wards is far more tedious to work with than a simple auction house, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to notice.... but you know some people....

The wards are not complete garbage. I have played many functional games with various kinds of trade systems. An 'AH' as you've come to call it is not the only possible useable system. The fact is, we already have most of the functionality of an AH. The post you quoted outlines the only real serious problem with the system. Buying items is simple, and works like any AH does. In fact, better than many AHes do. Listing items for sale is the current problem, and they can easily address this problem, compared to the effort required to redesign a new system from complete scratch. What i'd do-

-Add "sell an item" to the auction NPC
-pick item, set price.
-item is automatically placed on your retainer who is automatically placed in the most appropriate location possible.

This retains the added functionality retainers have that an AH doesn't have, yet makes the process as simple as it is with an AH.

The other fact is this is such a polarizing subject, everyone is on one side or the other and neither is ever able to convince the other.

I am fine with not having an AH right at beginning of 2.0 but I hope by the time Ishguard gets implemented an AH will make an appearance and hopefully they can find some other way to utilize the retainer system.

By the time ishgard comes out the market wards will already be so much like an AH (with extra features) that there would be no point in adding one, and in fact adding one would simply making trade more complicated (Do i put my item on the markets, or the AH?). Current generation MMO players are used to an AH, but few realize that not every game (FFXIV isn't the only one) uses that exact system, and in fact most of the early MMOs didn't use it.

Once again: buying items in the market wards is nearly exactly like buying them in any AH, except you have the added option if you so choose to go meet the retainer and save a fee. buying needs to be badly streamlined, but if that happens, there will be no need to add an AH- We will already have one.

[Shougun]

Retainers are useless. (Not saying this as some bold statement)

You can have the whole market system without retainers.

All they do is add server clutter and make the zone lag.

However - in 2.0 perhaps they will make the streets more lively or something. Read that the market wards will be a building or something that you can walk into, then they have added immersion.

Anyway AH have their pros, MW have their pros. You could technically use them both at the same time, but they should really streamline the MW before thinking of doing some sort of interesting hybrid.

[xXHalloweenTrixXx]

The fact is we don't need a retainer nor a market wards when we can simply have an auction house.

Why have them continue to make the wards more and more into an auction house... when they can simply just implement an auction house that requires no instancing? It makes no sense to me why people are defending the wards when they are needless... especially when we already have a feasible working system out there that can be implemented.

Why try to re-create the wheel again, why waste the time? When we already have a good working model out there known as a Auction House, which is found in most MMORPGs of today.

[Shougun]

The fact is we don't need a retainer nor a market wards when we can simply have an auction house.

Why have them continue to make the wards more and more into an auction house... when they can simply just have an auction house that requires no instancing? It makes no sense to me.

So long as there is no bidding it hasnt become an AH yet.