Small Rant on Seal Rolls in Hamlet parties

[Molly_Millions]

TL;DR: Helping a buddy at the expense of others is wrong now matter how you spin it unless you are honest about it and people agree to it beforehand.

How is it at the expense of others? 1/8 chance is still a 1/8 chance for everyone except the guy getting his friend's help. It's not like the person that's handing seals to his buddy is standing there doing nothing during the actual fight. They are helping everyone else have a chance at seals too.

Let's put a different spin on this and say folks who have 9 seals are not allowed to help their friends, ie not allowed to join the party at all. How many people do you think would lose out on the ability to obtain 9 seals? My guess is boatloads.

[Reika]

*you join the party.
<Joe Shmoe> (Hello!)
<Mike Larry> Sup
<Will Smith> Welcome
<Sam Jackson> Hi
<Tina Turner> Hey thanks for joining.
<Tina Turner> What item do you want to lot for?
<Michael Jackson> Hee hee
<Joe Shmoe> Seal
<Marshal Mathers> yo
<Terumi Sakurai> こんにちはー´∀｀*
<Tina Turner> Ok, but just so you know me, sam, will and Mike will be rolling on seals to get seal for our buddy marshal, even tho we ourselves do not need them.
<Matt Daemon> Its at 50, 26
<Joe Shmoe> hmmm that significantly lowers my chances of getting what I need out of hamlet defense, I'll go ahead and wait for a different party. But thank you for being honest about your intentions.
<Matt Daemon> mt
<Tina Turner> I understand, good luck to you.
<Joe Shmoe> (Take Care!)(Let's play together again some time!)
*You leave the party.

[bobbygunz]

hmmm that significantly lowers my chances of getting what I need out of hamlet defense,

Technically it doesn't really even lower your chance, it just increases the other person's chance of getting seals.

[Molly_Millions]

How does somebody rolling for a seal even though they do not need one give you less than a 1/8 chance? Somebody needs a math 101 class. That's only true if it's agreed upon beforehand that nobody that has 9 seals can roll, which brings up my argument above. What happens if folks with 9 seals are not allowed to join at all?

To put this another way, the ONLY way your chances could be made worse than 1/8 is if a 9th person could somehow roll for the seal. Comparatively speaking, yes your chances are worse than the person who effectively gets two rolls, but that doesn't mean your chances are any worse than they were before you found out that one person was rolling for another.

[Reika]

If all 8 people are going for seal yes your chance for getting a seal will remain the same weather they need it or not. But if he were there and only had to compete against one other person, that is not against 7 people, so it is not a 1/8 chance it is 1/2. your chance goes down each extra person that you are up against. if you are the only person that needs seals, then you have a 100% chance to be given any seal that drops.

to increase one persons chance by rolling with him, is to decrease another persons chance.

If all the people who rolled for the seal legitimatly needed the seal or let it be known that they did not need, they were changing to seal to roll for thier friend and increase his chances of obtaining it i am fairly sure this would be a non-issue.

[Hanabira]

this is ridiculous, the odds of getting what you needed are the same. OP is just upset someone has a higher chance than he does. i remember 1 day in EQ a lonnnng time ago, i was grouped with a guy who was 5boxing. when it came to rolling on gems, he got to random 5 times, and i only did once. did it suck? yes it did, alot, but my chances of winning were the same.

[Molly_Millions]

If all 8 people are going for seal yes your chance for getting a seal will remain the same weather they need it or not. But if he were there and only had to compete against one other person, that is not against 7 people, so it is not a 1/8 chance it is 1/2. your chance goes down each extra person that you are up against. if you are the only person that needs seals, then you have a 100% chance to be given any seal that drops.

to increase one persons chance by rolling with him, is to decrease another persons chance.

If all 8 people legitimatly needed the seal i am fairly sure this would be a non-issue.

Did you agree beforehand that folks who have 9 seals cannot roll for their friends? How many of those folks that are there to help their friends but cannot roll for them do you think would still help? I think you'd lose two party members tbh.

The only thing I see wrong here is your jealousy.

[Reika]

Did you agree beforehand that folks who have 9 seals cannot roll for their friends?

Did you read that skit at all?

[Molly_Millions]

Did you read that skit at all?

Nope, you're just jealous that you don't have a friend that is willing to help you for free.

Your post is only true if you all agree that folks who do not need seals cannot roll for them. Which is why I asked if that's what you agreed to beforehand, because if not your jealousy is the only problem here.

[Hanabira]

Nope, you're just jealous that you don't have a friend that is willing to help you for free.

but the skit pretty much said "if you didnt like it, get another party"