Fix Hamlet Please?

[Wynn]

My apologies and my mistake. Still, I'm not so sure that I would support this. The people who are struggling to get into the content either a) neglected to do it until now or b) are newer and were not capable of doing it before. Either route, they simply missed the timing. And, while kind of a bummer, it is justifiable that it remain as is.

This content shouldn't have a small window of timing to remain enjoyable or even to be enjoyed in the first place. It is obvious the original design was meant for extremely heavy use by people with infinite money to burn and not the every day use by normal players that would result once the newness wore off. This is a problem and it is not how SE or any developer should be designing content for their games.

[Zumi]

Aren't hamlets being totally redone in 2.0 anyway. Because they didn't want craft jobs in battle type events.

[Yves]

This content shouldn't have a small window of timing to remain enjoyable or even to be enjoyed in the first place. It is obvious the original design was meant for extremely heavy use by people with infinite money to burn and not the every day use by normal players that would result once the newness wore off. This is a problem and it is not how SE or any developer should be designing content for their games.

Honestly, dude? The whole relic quest is garbage to begin with. But I don't think they had much choice. We wanted content (justifiably so) while they completed 2.0. Realistically this content couldn't be too in-depth due to resources. It also needed to fill a void while they finished ARR. The result? A craptastic grindfest designed to burn time and keep people occupied. Seriously, take a look at the quest itself.

1a. Obtain 25k marks for key item
1b. Obtain 3 seals from each hamlet
-low drop rate, divided by 8 potential players, multiplied by 3
1c. Double-meld
-low success rate for meld
-moderate success rate for actual base weapon
-heavy time investment for mats or heavy gil investment

And that's just the first leg and I'm being really conservative. Is this good content? Not by a longshot. This is horrid, to be honest. What I'm saying is that this wasn't meant for heavy use people - it was meant to keep people busy and distracted. And it's crap.

[Wynn]

Honestly, dude? The whole relic quest is garbage to begin with. But I don't think they had much choice. We wanted content (justifiably so) while they completed 2.0. Realistically this content couldn't be too in-depth due to resources. It also needed to fill a void while they finished ARR. The result? A craptastic grindfest designed to burn time and keep people occupied. Seriously, take a look at the quest itself.

1a. Obtain 25k marks for key item
1b. Obtain 3 seals from each hamlet
-low drop rate, divided by 8 potential players, multiplied by 3
1c. Double-meld
-low success rate for meld
-moderate success rate for actual base weapon
-heavy time investment for mats or heavy gil investment

And that's just the first leg and I'm being really conservative. Is this good content? Not by a longshot. This is horrid, to be honest. What I'm saying is that this wasn't meant for heavy use people - it was meant to keep people busy and distracted. And it's crap.

Hamlet is stand alone content that just happens to be a stop in the relic path. It isn't all about relic. There are other reasons to do hamlets.

But it is a problem that people are largely only doing it for relic because when they move on the requirements are too high to get Hamlet to rank 2. Therefore people coming into the game or not at a point where they could do hamlet when it was steamrolled by the vets don't get to even enjoy it, let alone work on their own relics when that time comes. So SE either needs to give better incentive to still do hamlet or lower/change the reqs to advance it. Maybe something similar to how besieged works but further improved upon.

If this were just filler content, I would be inclined to not care either, but it's not filler. Hamlets will be content in ARR. Unfortunately they will only be lively for about 2 months and then die off again because the reqs are too high for the people that want to still do it or are wanting to do it for the first time.

@Zumi: I'm not really sure how much if any of the hamlet content is being redone. In fact, I'd really love to read any info on changes that might occur if anyone knows of some official snippets. What I do know, however, is that it is carrying over into ARR and it should be something people can still enjoy after the first couple months.

[Yves]

Hamlet is stand alone content that just happens to be a stop in the relic path. It isn't all about relic. There are other reasons to do hamlets.

But it is a problem that people are largely only doing it for relic because when they move on the requirements are too high to get Hamlet to rank 2. Therefore people coming into the game or not at a point where they could do hamlet when it was steamrolled by the vets don't get to even enjoy it, let alone work on their own relics when that time comes. So SE either needs to give better incentive to still do hamlet or lower/change the reqs to advance it. Maybe something similar to how besieged works but further improved upon.

If this were just filler content, I would be inclined to not care either, but it's not filler. Hamlets will be content in ARR. Unfortunately they will only be lively for about 2 months and then die off again because the reqs are too high for the people that want to still do it or are wanting to do it for the first time.

@Zumi: I'm not really sure how much if any of the hamlet content is being redone. In fact, I'd really love to read any info on changes that might occur if anyone knows of some official snippets. What I do know, however, is that it is carrying over into ARR and it should be something people can still enjoy after the first couple months.

Ah, I see your standpoint more clearly. I'm still going to roll with the idea that Hamlet is more relic-centric but I feel you. I can and do absolutely agree with your viewpoint under these premises.

[Miste]

Hamlet is stand alone content that just happens to be a stop in the relic path. It isn't all about relic. There are other reasons to do hamlets.

But it is a problem that people are largely only doing it for relic because when they move on the requirements are too high to get Hamlet to rank 2. Therefore people coming into the game or not at a point where they could do hamlet when it was steamrolled by the vets don't get to even enjoy it, let alone work on their own relics when that time comes. So SE either needs to give better incentive to still do hamlet or lower/change the reqs to advance it. Maybe something similar to how besieged works but further improved upon.

If this were just filler content, I would be inclined to not care either, but it's not filler. Hamlets will be content in ARR. Unfortunately they will only be lively for about 2 months and then die off again because the reqs are too high for the people that want to still do it or are wanting to do it for the first time.

@Zumi: I'm not really sure how much if any of the hamlet content is being redone. In fact, I'd really love to read any info on changes that might occur if anyone knows of some official snippets. What I do know, however, is that it is carrying over into ARR and it should be something people can still enjoy after the first couple months.

Finally! Someone who understands what I mean!

and Yves...

designed to burn time and keep people occupied

it was meant to keep people busy and distracted

Even though you disagreed with me earlier, you just pointed out two reasons why I want this changed. Cause as it stands it IS NOT a time burner or a distraction or keeping us busy since most of the time it is only Rank 1 then no one does it!

[Yves]

Finally! Someone who understands what I mean!

and Yves...




Even though you disagreed with me earlier, you just pointed out two reasons why I want this changed. Cause as it stands it IS NOT a time burner or a distraction or keeping us busy since most of the time it is only Rank 1 then no one does it!

No, I understand your point now. And again, I apologize for misunderstanding earlier. What I am still going to stand firm on is that it remain as is. You can still achieve the results you desire by hitting top 3 for stage 1 (I believe). The nice thing is that being in the top 3 actually enhances your odds, too. By this reasoning, the fact that top 3 is easier to achieve than before means that, in essence, the content that you seek is technically more accessible.

Again, if the case that you cannot achieve the same items as a top 3 in tier 1 versus a standard tier 2 is correct then disregard my argument. Either way, as I said before, the system is crap to begin with and this is probably because it was an afterthought.

At least we got something, though.

[fusional]

This content shouldn't have a small window of timing to remain enjoyable

it's been around for how many months already?

It is obvious the original design was meant for extremely heavy use by people with infinite money to burn

sounds about right for the longest/grindy-est step of the relic quest, yeah?

and no, it isn't all about relic. but considering it's the first and longest roadblock on the road to relic, making hamlet easier in any way makes relic easier. people will compete for top spot whether rank 1 or 2 and get seals whether rank 1 or 2, but by making it easier to reach rank 2 you're making it easier for *everyone else* to get seals, too. yes, it's far from guaranteed. but claims of seal drops being 'rare' are exaggerated. get 60k points (which is extremely easy) and you're looking at a 20-30% drop rate, maybe better. that's not rare.

so by making it easier to hit rank 2 you make it easier than ever before for people to basically just coast to their 9 seals. and considering devs have already expressed concern about more people obtaining relic than expected, i strongly doubt they're going to chop the legs out from under the longest step in the questline.

just saying.

[Miste]

No, I understand your point now. And again, I apologize for misunderstanding earlier. What I am still going to stand firm on is that it remain as is. You can still achieve the results you desire by hitting top 3 for stage 1 (I believe). The nice thing is that being in the top 3 actually enhances your odds, too. By this reasoning, the fact that top 3 is easier to achieve than before means that, in essence, the content that you seek is technically more accessible.

Again, if the case that you cannot achieve the same items as a top 3 in tier 1 versus a standard tier 2 is correct then disregard my argument. Either way, as I said before, the system is crap to begin with and this is probably because it was an afterthought.

At least we got something, though.

No problem. You are still misunderstanding one point though. Yeah, top 3 is more accessible, but that does not solve the issue. Top 3 is more accessible but the Hamlet never changes to Rank 2. If you go into a Rank 1 Hamlet you have like almost no chance to get Militia gear/gathering hats to drop or random extra seals from the box. People still want Militia gear, but good luck getting any if the Hamlets keep staying Rank 1. You open the chest from a highest point possible Rank 1 Hamlet and it gives you little coloured star fireworks...... :/ So this is why people will not do a Rank 1. It is difficult enough to get the Militia gear and gathering gear drops in a Rank 2, a lot of the pieces are rare. So no one is going to bother wasting their time going to a Rank 1.

[fusional]

and you're not understanding one major point, either. with the way things currently work, making rank 2 easier to get to in order to make militia gear easier to obtain also makes seals easier to obtain as well. that can't and won't happen.

so if militia gear is what you actually want, you're asking for the wrong solution. making rank 2 easier to get isn't the way. making militia gear easier to obtain with rank 1 *is*