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  1. #21
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    They need goals that you can spend a little time each day making progress towards an end goal.

    Something along the lines of doing only portions of a raid zone. Like a zone with multiple caves you need to explore through, but you can enter at certain points. Stuff like this will allow you to do the seperate parts as you have the time, but still give hardcore players a goal to work towards. They'll just be able to get the rewards quicker because they put more effort in, but still allows casuals like myself to play and make progress over time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randis View Post
    this is nothing about harder, this is just some stupid issue because some people feel the need to reintroduce extensive camping to FFXIV. HNM


    see that is BS.

    Casuals are just people who play the game whenever they have time. they do not want the same gear or anything you claim. I am active on this forums and i can not recall a single thread where people demanded such nonsense.

    Stick to the truth.
    Some camping elitist LS wanted to have 24h NM pops, people were against it and they started flaming everyone.
    that has nothing to do with casual gamers wanting to get easy rare items. it is simply about people being sick of outdated broken game mechanics, camping and botting. People were all for rare items but would rather have NM pop faster in exchange to lower drop rate and possible other methods to obtain rare items. People live in different time zones and do not wish to get up at night to camp.
    I would first want to see some prove to your claim. Link some threads on this forum that show what you try to portray.
    Dude it's not like I'm saying 90% of the FFXIV are Nazi collaborators. What I'm saying is pretty much equal to saying some people are for the addition of auto attack and others are not.
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  3. #23
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    You portray all casual player as lazy leeches who want everything right away and hardcore gamer as hardworking people who don't get what they deserve.
    It is not that black and white.

    THat is why i asked you to quote/back up your claims and also explain your definition of casual and hardcore.
    Just how many hours do you think someone need to play daily to be hardcore? Or is it also about skill?
    Or is it about the level of dedication, like playing even if its boring or lacks content? There are a good deal of people who have R50 who expressed dislike regarding certain elements, are they casual gamer for that reason?
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    Last edited by Randis; 04-13-2011 at 10:17 AM.
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    I do have to say thought a lot of people I've met who have the time to put in 8 hours a day or more, on not just a weekend but all days of the week, have no real life obligations and then tell you "you're not hardcore about this game", when really its like "I do so many hours of homework for college each fricking week you should stfu get a job/go to school and do something effing productive before you judge me about the amount of hours I put in a game" I'm not mad about the casual v hardcore until someone judges me about the amount of time I put in because I live in the real world.

    If you work and have a job and are a hardcore player, that's good, you are probably really efficient with time, and you probably don't judge those who don't play as much because they might not be as able to bounce real world obligations with the game. I know for me, if i were 15 I would be hitting up all mmos all times of the day, but because I'm in college I'm usually at home at 4pm and doing some form of homework / studying until midnight. Even weekends are hard to squeeze in time for gaming due to more homework lol. My time to play is breaks, winter break, summer, spring, and during those breaks I put in the time to be classified as a hardcore gamer due to not having any real life obligations at the moment. So obviously the way to go is to have content available for casual and hardcore gamers since I think the average person isn't casual always, and hardcore always, it will shift from time to time due to whats going on in your real life, and if it doesn't damn, get a life. [cept those who work, my friends who just work have way more time to play than I currently because they have a little clock that limits the work they do lol, and I have to do homework forever]
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  5. #25
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    I can't believe I'm seeing this thread here. Harder quests should drop better rewards. End of story. What difference does it make how much time a person spends?

    Is there a raid on this game I don't know about?
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    Last edited by Chezen; 04-13-2011 at 10:22 AM.


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    I'm a college student with two part-time jobs. I would say that during an average week, I put 3-6 hours into the game normally (though I've had a bunch of free time lately, so it's a bit higher than normal atm). Thus, I put myself firmly into the casual category, but I realize that's more than some people can put in.

    That being said, while I don't feel entitled to the same stuff as those people who can put in as much time per day as I can in a week, I do think it should be accessible. The difference should simply be that the hardcore player can get it in a matter of days, while it may take me weeks to complete the same.

    Most people don't want a freebie, they simply want to be able to enjoy the game without artificial roadblocks.

    P.S.: Attributing the term work to anything done in a video game makes me twitch. Games are meant to be fun, not work; the moment I stop playing a game and start working a game is roughly equal to when I unsubscribe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rentahamster View Post
    There's a lot of confusion recently since the terms "causal" and "hardcore" mean different things to different people.

    IMO, the best rewards should go to the players with the best skills.

    IF "casual" = "not skilled" and "hardcore" = "skilled", then yes, the best rewards should go to the hardcore players.


    But, if "casual" = "can only play 1-5 hours a week" and "hardcore" = "plays 5 hours a day", then the best rewards should go to either player, since time spent playing this game is not at all an indicator of intelligence, strategy, skill, and cooperation. In this definition, if both players are of the same aptitude, they will both reap good rewards eventually, with the hardcore player getting them sooner on account of more time spent in game.


    In the end, the good stuff should be rewarded to the players who are good enough to overcome challenges, regardless of how much time they are able to stay logged in.

    Being able to camp a NM spawn for 24 hours straight is not a challenge.

    Being able to defeat a NM that requires concentration, skill, strategy and cooperation IS a challenge.
    This thread is now over. Quoting for emphasis.
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  9. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheVedis View Post
    if something takes 100 hours of playtime to reach, then yes, both still have access to it, so there is no need to change it
    the fact hardcores will get there sooner doesnt mean its unfair to casuals


    doing stuff like "hard mode fights" is the truely "casual unfriendly" aspect of games(im looking at you wow)
    just making stuff take a while to earn and reach doesnt make it casual unfriendly, or unfair to casuals at all, they can still get there.....eventualy
    Actually it's the opposite. As "casual" is not a definition of ability, just of time. A casual can easily be able to complete a harder fight. While he might never be able/willing to stand in a single point for hours on end just to wait for a mob to spawn.
    Simply enough, casuals have less time to spend on the game in a single sitting, and they like to use that whole time constructively instead of having to wait for senseless and boring dead times and things like that.
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  10. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alicia_WM View Post
    Casual: People who realize that this and other games are just that - games. They typically are pursuing a college degree, or otherwise working a full time job. These people want to log on and just have some fun.

    Hardcore: People who have no real life obligations, and therefore view the game as most casual players would real life. They think the game matters, and so want to be better than everyone in the virtual world because they are neckbeards in real life.
    I lol'd. I'm totally a neckbeard.
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    Wow some of you are really shallow arent you?

    i am semi-hardcore myself, but what casuals are asking is the options to obtain the same items, they are not asking for shit to handed to them right away and i believe they do not mind to work for it, they just do not want shit to be exclusive to people that can play 12hour a day..
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