If someone makes a deadly boss mods type addon for ARR would you use it?

[Jeronlmo]

Even then by how you are work with macros being bots and the interface being a bot because it automates calcualation of your health, mana, and tp.

Macro's were in 11 by Default, Macro's are in 14 by Default, I heard they were in wow too but people refused to use them and claimed you had to be a programmer to use them.

Your trying to compair addon(bots) that are by default in the game that content is designed around, as in not an option by anyone to download, its just there to things that are player-made, and more specifically made to make things easy.

Anything that is default, im fine with, if I dont like it, I would simply leave, just like I did with ff11, and so did many others after abyssea came out. WoW gives you the option to download these things, yet content was designed around them, if content is made for them, and if they are allowed, it should be default, but aslong as its an option to have it, content should not revolve around having it, and if content isnt made to compensate for it, your basically cheating.

[Jeronlmo]

Sure but they are not the same either. Its like a hacker that becomes a game designer - his games arent hacks. But it is a school story when talking about hacks.

I wouldnt have taken it as such if you didnt say "Actually". Like I am wrong. Addons sanctioned by the mmos that I've at least heard of are prohibited from completing botting like actions.

Your right, they just make it default in the game (auto-crafting).

[Shougun]

Macro's were in 11 by Default, Macro's are in 14 by Default, I heard they were in wow too but people refused to use them and claimed you had to be a programmer to use them.

Your trying to compair addon(bots) that are by default in the game that content is designed around, as in not an option by anyone to download, its just there to things that are player-made, and more specifically made to make things easy.

Anything that is default, im fine with, if I dont like it, I would simply leave, just like I did with ff11, and so did many others after abyssea came out. WoW gives you the option to download these things, yet content was designed around them, if content is made for them, and if they are allowed, it should be default, but aslong as its an option to have it, content should not revolve around having it, and if content isnt made to compensate for it, your basically cheating.

I agree to this logic - but that doesnt mean players cannot design addons if the addons are allowed as a default feature.

Besides with the ps3 involved it will be unlikely SE designs the game around addons - it would be a silly choice.

I think if an addon seems so good and should have content designed around it then SE should add it into the game themselves. Therefore its not optional.

[Ingolf]

I agree to this logic - but that doesnt mean players can design addons if the addons are allowed as a default feature.

Besides with the ps3 involved it will be unlikely design the game around addons - it would be a silly choice.

I think if an addon seems so good and should have content designed around it then SE should add it into the game themselves. Therefore its not optional.

Hence half of the windower functionality being added to the new XI UI coming out with the new expansion pack. XI was a sorry mess of a game without windower. I dislike the XIV UI due to the lag, but XI's UI was terrible in a different way.

[Shougun]

Your right, they just make it default in the game (auto-crafting).

Auto crafting actually combats bots.

A botter can easily make a script for gathering and crafting - a no botter cannot and is the only one really screwed over by the design choice.

That being said some people might like not auto crafting and can argue it would be more fun the other way and blizzard should have just continued to ban auto crafting.

But auto crafting was made by blizzard, it wasnt an addon.

[Jeronlmo]

Auto crafting actually combats bots.

A botter can easily make a script for gathering and crafting - a no botter cannot and is the only one really screwed over by the design choice.

That being said some people might like not auto crafting and can argue it would be more fun the other way and blizzard should have just continued to ban auto crafting.

But auto crafting was made by blizzard, it wasnt an addon.

I said its now default in WoW, I did not say it was an addon. That is the same logic they used for Diablo3, RMT's are there, so why not just make everyone a RMT (while they get their cut from every transaction).

"Auto-crafting" was once called botting, blizzard testing these waters and obv succeeded, they found out that people are naturally lazy, and dont want to work for things, do you know how many professions in wow actually make money from crafting gear or something? I mean real money... not 15gold here and there. Crafting in wow because of auto-crafting is virtually worthless outside of gemming gear.

The only reason crafting is actually used at all in that game and people can forever sell materials is because the game forces you to constantly create new characters and relvl crafts to gem those new characters.

[Shougun]

I said its now default in WoW, I did not say it was an addon. That is the same logic they used for Diablo3, RMT's are there, so why not just make everyone a RMT (while they get their cut from every transaction).

I think the priority was on the last part, and they used the "combatting RMT's" as an excuse for players not to get overly mad at it.

But I assumed you insinuated it was an addon since we are talking about addons. I dont agree with a lot of blizzards recent choices so we could talk about that all day.

WoW also made crafting things for yourself possible- which was pretty neat I liked making my own gear all the way up to 60. In FFXI and FFXIV unless you level slower then a turtle or level crafting first you will almost never get the opportunity to craft armor for yourself.

WoW did something different with their crafting classes, its a design choice difference.

[Jeronlmo]

I think the priority was on the last part, and they used the "combatting RMT's" as an excuse for players not to get overly mad at it.

But I assumed you insinuated it was an addon since we are talking about addons. I dont agree with a lot of blizzards recent choices so we could talk about that all day.

WoW also made crafting things for yourself possible- which was pretty neat I liked making my own gear all the way up to 60. In FFXI and FFXIV unless you level slower then a turtle or level crafting first you will almost never get the opportunity to craft armor for yourself.

WoW did something different with their crafting classes, its a design choice difference.

I craft plenty for myself even with all 50's (except fishing) while trying to double/triple meld things. The point was though crafting being usful beyond gemming gear... which currently you can craft/sell tones of gear for gil, generally spiritbond gear but also gear used for melding (which is actually used).

[Wolfie]

Anyone who thinks DBM is botting hasn't actually used it or played WOW, end of story.

[Jeronlmo]

Anyone who thinks DBM is botting hasn't actually used it or played WOW, end of story.

Yet I did, and have, omg.