Atomos = Inflation...

[Anakhu]

It's slow but so is a lot of other things like grinding crafts. Doesnt stop people from doing it. Specially when its the easiest gil ever.

Also the people doing it are probably doing it right - clearing your inventory for less trips, perhaps using family (I know of three cases that did this), and I can only assume the RMT's I've watched were using bots.

yeh I wouldn't doubt for a second that some of those people sitting in front of the GC seal vendor guy for long times with a full 50k seal stack were bots... I seen someone saying they could make a bot to do it for them while doing other things around the house and on the net :\ kinda shitty

[Shougun]

yeh I wouldn't doubt for a second that some of those people sitting in front of the GC seal vendor guy for long times with a full 50k seal stack were bots... I seen someone saying they could make a bot to do it for them while doing other things around the house and on the net :\ kinda shitty

What he says is true.

[Almalexia]

5s is a lot more reasonable when it comes to buying drops >_>

EDIT: & Selling isn't nearly as quick as 2s either. At least 3~4 with lag. So you need to adjust your timing to really understand how slow it was...

I think 2s is average. Maybe I'm wrong, so I took a stopwatch to my GC and bought as many hi-potions of vitality as I could in 1 minute.

I started from an open redemption menu with the cursor over the item. The clock started after the first stroke of Enter. I used my technique of holding the left arrow key after the buy dialog box opens so I would only have to press Enter (holding the left arrow key will automatically move the cursor from "cancel" to "buy" on all future transactions and won't cause the item menu to navigate up a page).

The results after 1 minute:

185 hi-potions of vitality @ 5 potions per transaction = 37 transactions in one minute
800 transactions/37 transactions in one minute = 21.6 minutes

So, actually, 2s per transaction is an over-estimation. It takes less than that. Altogether, it would take less than 25 minutes to convert 12,000 seals into 8000 drops into 1M gil.

See for yourself. 185 vit pots are only 1850 seals. Try to beat my high score!

[hrdndv]

Yep. I was busy leveling and missed the start. Now it is so hard to do that it is not fun.

[Shougun]

Yep. I was busy leveling and missed the start. Now it is so hard to do that it is not fun.

SE likes to reward people for chance, while like in life being at the right place at the right time can be extremely benificial - in a video game this law doesnt have to be true.

And in fact shouldnt be, things can be based off skill (and obviously partially time) - basing them off of just luck and in specific extension a lack of or an extreme case of time is lame though.

People who have fought Ifirit 10 times and got all the weapons can gtfo lol.

[Azmar]

The results after 1 minute:

185 hi-potions of vitality @ 5 potions per transaction = 37 transactions in one minute
800 transactions/37 transactions in one minute = 21.6 minutes

So, actually, 2s per transaction is an over-estimation. It takes less than that. Altogether, it would take less than 25 minutes to convert 12,000 seals into 8000 drops into 1M gil.

See for yourself. 185 vit pots are only 1850 seals. Try to beat my high score!

Thats nice you did it for 12 minutes in theory. How about actually do it for 8 hours straight and tell me how much you actually do. You are too lazy to do it yourself, so is almost 90% of the population. Most people don't need this money, better ways to make money and not willing to spend all day. The amount of people that actually did it are very few... I actually tried to do it 8 hours straight and I did not get far.

Btw 1hour = 13k seals. Not your 25min theory math, actually try to do it with dawn drops of 13k worth of seals.

[Almalexia]

It's not entirely theoretical. I actually tested one minute of purchasing and extrapolated the results. I don't know how 1 minute is different from 25, except for more key mashing. Now that the gold rush is over, I'm not about to spend 12,000 seals on something worth 1g just to make my point; I'm using a more practical approach.

The seal cap is 50,000. At the rate I described, it would take about 2 hours to convert your entire stash of seals (to 4.1M gil). Two hours is the length two average music albums, or one of many longer-then-average films. If you use my technique, you only need one hand tapping the enter key, which amounts to just as much work as spamming a craft. How is it hard to believe people can do this when there are lv.50 crafters all over the place?

I derived the 12k seal value from the over-aspected cluster rush. You can hit Atomos four times in one cycle for a total of four clusters. 3000 x 4 = 12000. You stand to earn more through crystals, of course, but I was trying to illustrate how much you would earn in just one cycle even if you were terribly unlucky.

13k seals would be, like, an extra 1.3 minutes added. Closer to 25 minutes for 1.08M total.

[Azmar]

You are pulling numbers out of thin air, you forget about losing focus, finger cramps, getting bored. The fact that you didn't actually do it, you have no clue how long it takes. 2 hours will get you no where near 50k gc turn around. You also forget the amount of time it takes to npc them. In the end no one did it, except the people that did math, they just did math and QQ.

[Shougun]

You are pulling numbers out of thin air, you forget about losing focus, finger cramps, getting bored. The fact that you didn't actually do it, you have no clue how long it takes. 2 hours will get you no where near 50k gc turn around. You also forget the amount of time it takes to npc them. In the end no one did it, except the people that did math, they just did math and QQ.

I went faster then her(his?) numbers for 1 hour - and I have below normal dedication. I think you are severely underestimating the gaming community. (also did it again slower watching movies, but thats a really shitty rate )

You dont even have the slightest idea what hardcore means apparently.

- that is just discluding the cheaters whom used shifts of family/friends or botted.

[Almalexia]

I did do it. Dozens of people did on every server.

I am not pulling anything out of thin air. 37 transactions in one minute is a sample I gathered with my own hands and my own seals. I'm using math now because nobody is going to watch a 2-hour youtube of me sitting at an NPC counter, and I'm not wasting 50,000 seals for 50,000 gil to prove something no longer useful to anyone outside this thread.

The amount of time it takes to NPC drops is simply (<)2s per transaction times the number of stacks purchased. In the case of 12,000 seals, 8000 drops = 81 stacks. (<)2s x 81 = 162 seconds, or ~2.4 minutes. I already accounted for NPC transactions above:

So, actually, 2s per transaction is an over-estimation. It takes less than that. Altogether, it would take less than 25 minutes to convert 12,000 seals into 8000 drops into 1M gil.

25 minutes includes seal exchange as well as vendoring. And, I suppose, the trivial time it takes to teleport from the GC hall to the nearest vendor. Sorry if that was unclear.

The only thing I'm trying to do in this thread is dispute this guy's claim:

The reason this got so popular though is that even though the Gil-Per-hour with Atomos was actually less than more lucrative methods,

The truth is that there was no more lucrative activity than Atomos @ 12k seals/hour. Maybe people did get carpal tunnel or take a break while trading seals.

So what?

People take a break trading seals as much as they could take a break crafting or gathering or SBing or farming or doing leves or melding items or playing the market or buying gil or whatever you super-cool, anti-Atomos folks do to make so much money. Atomos, however, required no initial investment to profit, had 0 risk, instant return (no market ward delay), no taxation, and provably (actually and mathematically) generated gil at a rate faster than any other legitimate method in FFXIV as of September 2012 that I know of.

Even accounting for weary hands or break time in all other things, Atomos still makes more money. You cannot point to a single thing that makes 1M in liquid gil guaranteed every hour.

I'm at a loss of how I can make this any more persuasive. People really underestimate just how much of a gil fountain Atomos was, and that's unfortunate for everyone but, well, the people who played in the fountain.