Atomos = Inflation...

[beryuyu]

Dear SE, I am not mad or pissed about the fact that I missed out on the event. Since it was such a hot event, can we have it again for the people like me who missed it?

Thanks

[Catapult]

Give it a little longer and many weapons will no longer be able to sell since everyone will have decked themselves out with company weapons.

Foundation day needs an end-date. Sooner rather than later.
By all means, leave Atomos going if you like, but let the crystals have value for what they are, not simply 250 seals each when traded in to an insatiably hungry event NPC.

[Yzuna]

I'll still be able to generate gil using my own tried and true methods so I could care less about this. Hell, I only used this event to get a single 25k weapon as I had the other ones I wanted way before Atomos. I didn't give two shits about the dawn drops because I knew it would be patched sooner or later and also because I really had no need to utilize them to make gil due to my other methods, (you know actually playing the game rather than afking at an Atomos camp for an hour while waiting for his nightly spawns).

I would very much like to know how and what to farm to make gils, with a decent ratio gils/hour. I'm used to farm back in FFXI, so I don't mind.
I didn't know you could make gils out of seals, I've just find out during the hotfix.
I fairly new to the game (3 months) and I didn't really try to farm yet (money from solo campaign was enough to buy regular single meld stuff). I've lvlup a couple of job, doing all of the GC quests before the end (just killed Nael yesterday ^^).
But now i'm really poor, 250k at most. And I find a little unfair that people took advandage of some kind of flaw in the game design to gain millions and millions of gils.

Well, my point is; that suck that people uses that exploit, but how can I make decent money in this game ? (aside from DoH, not sure i'll have enough time to lvlup to 50)

(sorry for my bad english ^^ )

[Almalexia]

You are correct however.......

You don't take the time needed to buy up all the dawn drops and sell them into the equation. That takes a massive amount of time as does NPC'ing them all. If it were as easy as selling them by 999 and buying them up as a 999 stack then yes but as it stands it takes a looooong time to sell them. You can make more money doing other things. If it were as simple as 1 million instantly per hour than Atomos would be superior to everything.

I know it's hard for many of you to believe but not everyone made their money off of leve spam or anything else similar. Many people made tons of money by just having some common sense, leveling the right crafts/gathering classes and playing the markets wisely instead of blindly spending gil without thought to consequence. The ease of use in this method is what attracted so many to it. For people who do not have a crafting or gathering job leveled this was a godsend.

That's a fair point. I say we take a look at that equation.

12,000 seals = 8000 drops
2 seconds per transaction of 10 drops
800 transactions = 1600 seconds or about 26.6 minutes

8000 drops = 81 inventory spaces
2 seconds per transaction of 1 stack of drops
81 transactions = 162 seconds or about 2.7 minutes

Altogether it takes about half an hour to turn 12,000 GC seals into 8,000 drops into 1,000,000 gil. That's plenty of time to make 1M before the next Atomos pop. The only limiting factor is the rate at which Atomos spawns (about every earth hour).

Common sense tells me Atomos was hysterically lucrative.

Edit: I will just say I am skeptical you make an honest 1M every hour through traditional means.

[Sabaku_Usagi]

That's a fair point. I say we take a look at that equation.

12,000 seals = 8000 drops
2 seconds per transaction of 10 drops
800 transactions = 1600 seconds or about 26.6 minutes

8000 drops = 81 inventory spaces
2 seconds per transaction of 1 stack of drops
81 transactions = 162 seconds or about 2.7 minutes

Altogether it takes about half an hour to turn 12,000 GC seals into 8,000 drops into 1,000,000 gil. That's plenty of time to make 1M before the next Atomos pop. The only limiting factor is the rate at which Atomos spawns (about every earth hour).

Common sense tells me Atomos was hysterically lucrative.

Edit: I will just say I am skeptical you make an honest 1M every hour through traditional means.

5s is a lot more reasonable when it comes to buying drops >_>

EDIT: & Selling isn't nearly as quick as 2s either. At least 3~4 with lag. So you need to adjust your timing to really understand how slow it was...

[moriandrio]

I would very much like to know how and what to farm to make gils, with a decent ratio gils/hour. I'm used to farm back in FFXI, so I don't mind.
I didn't know you could make gils out of seals, I've just find out during the hotfix.
I fairly new to the game (3 months) and I didn't really try to farm yet (money from solo campaign was enough to buy regular single meld stuff). I've lvlup a couple of job, doing all of the GC quests before the end (just killed Nael yesterday ^^).
But now i'm really poor, 250k at most. And I find a little unfair that people took advandage of some kind of flaw in the game design to gain millions and millions of gils.

Well, my point is; that suck that people uses that exploit, but how can I make decent money in this game ? (aside from DoH, not sure i'll have enough time to lvlup to 50)

(sorry for my bad english ^^ )

Just go farm Catalyst with a DoL of your choice, you gonna make 500-1m/stack and that doesnt takes long.

[Shougun]

5s is a lot more reasonable when it comes to buying drops >_>

EDIT: & Selling isn't nearly as quick as 2s either. At least 3~4 with lag. So you need to adjust your timing to really understand how slow it was...

I dont know what either of you are talking about its a second or less for me. And you can place your mouse to buy at the same time you are hitting enter to go even faster.

Sure its boring as hell but if you go hardcore pro on it - they needed to fix it day one. Now we got a funky ass inflow that doesnt belong.

[Sabaku_Usagi]

I dont know what either of you are talking about its a second or less for me. And you can place your mouse to buy at the same time you are hitting enter to go even faster.

Sure its boring as hell but if you go hardcore pro on it - they needed to fix it day one. Now we got a funky ass inflow that doesnt belong.

Well you're one of the few people who don't have to deal with buy/sell lag?

We're also dealing with massive purchasing and while you may be able to do your first set of purchases quickly, maybe even your second set eventually you will slow down and your purchase speed will decrease.

The whole point behind why I pointed out the difference in time is just how slow this method is when used numerous times. In a perfect scenario sure, 2s & 2s *might* be best case, but I know in my experience those times were greatly increased.

So 4 seconds compared to 8 seconds makes a really big difference, that 2m/hr is pretty skewed and it's more like 1m/hour if that's all you did. Also, people purchased crystals as well if they didn't have time to do the atomos farming. I bought mine for 14k/each so that perfect "1m/hr" turned into 300k/hr.

Conclusion: I just wanted to point out that while it was good money, it wasn't incredible money for the average person who didn't farm 100% of their crystals and turn in their crystals at a blinding speed. Also, I had no clue about the dawn drops until I read about it on the forums... So yet another reason why this became an over-abused system.

[Anakhu]

5s is a lot more reasonable when it comes to buying drops >_>

EDIT: & Selling isn't nearly as quick as 2s either. At least 3~4 with lag. So you need to adjust your timing to really understand how slow it was...

do't sell it in lag infested ul dah, find a lonely npc vendor wanting company for a few minutes and theres very little market lag

[Shougun]

Well you're one of the few people who don't have to deal with buy/sell lag?

We're also dealing with massive purchasing and while you may be able to do your first set of purchases quickly, maybe even your second set eventually you will slow down and your purchase speed will decrease.

The whole point behind why I pointed out the difference in time is just how slow this method is when used numerous times. In a perfect scenario sure, 2s & 2s *might* be best case, but I know in my experience those times were greatly increased.

So 4 seconds compared to 8 seconds makes a really big difference, that 2m/hr is pretty skewed and it's more like 1m/hour if that's all you did. Also, people purchased crystals as well if they didn't have time to do the atomos farming. I bought mine for 14k/each so that perfect "1m/hr" turned into 300k/hr.

Conclusion: I just wanted to point out that while it was good money, it wasn't incredible money for the average person who didn't farm 100% of their crystals and turn in their crystals at a blinding speed. Also, I had no clue about the dawn drops until I read about it on the forums... So yet another reason why this became an over-abused system.

It's slow but so is a lot of other things like grinding crafts. Doesnt stop people from doing it. Specially when its the easiest gil ever.

Also the people doing it are probably doing it right - clearing your inventory for less trips, perhaps using family (I know of three cases that did this), and I can only assume the RMT's I've watched were using bots.

Expecting MMO players to have a life is yeah.. :P . The gil from this system is bad because it is fresh printed gil - it wasnt a trade of hands like a lot of sells are (which have taxes for gil sinks).