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  1. #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    I dont make up the words:

    ex·ploit/ikˈsploit/
    Verb:
    Make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource): "500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology".
    Noun:
    A bold or daring feat: "the most heroic and secretive exploits of the war".


    But I agree with you, thats why I said its weird we use the word.
    You're confusing the real world definition of exploit, which has many uses depending on context, and falsely applying that to what is meant when a game developer calls something an exploit. They are not the same definition.

    An exploit in game terms is to gain an advantage in resources that was completely unintended by the game developer.

    They intended people to make money since they knew it was going to happen (expected it). Therefore it cannot possibly be an exploit.

    We can talk about if this was a smart decision or not, if you like. But it is pretty clear there is no exploit here.

  2. #42
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    Estellios's Avatar
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    I guarantee you no one was XPing off of Dawn Drops or Blood drops. The Former requires an ingredient that is now a pain in the ass to get and the latter is level 6 so who cares lol

    And people XP off of dried prunes because it only takes 1 ingredient, not because it npc'd for anything worthwhile.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vogue View Post
    Why is it so wrong to be able to make some gil by trading in seals? you still earn the seals one way or another...

    The only problem with this event was the amount of seals you could get, if they had reduced the amount of crystals you get per run, then you all would be happier. But if you think hard about it, 1 caravan can give you 1k seals, that is 750~1000 every 15-20 minutes.

    Compared to Atomos, Caravan can be a lot more profitable because there isnt a long wait time in between and you are guaranteed to get your seals at the end, only difference is that less people can do Caravans compared to Atomos, so what is the real issue here? is it that people get seals and trade them in for items to make gil out of it? or it is that there is too much people doing this instead of a small few?
    You can hold onto a transitional currency which is a problem as well. You can buy crystals off the market and then turn them into dawn drops and usually make ~600K for doing it.
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  4. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynn View Post
    This was the correct fix, good job SE.
    it is the correct fix, however why do you feel they deserve a proverbial pat on the ass?
    this is what should have been done to begin with.
    if you reward shit (in this case failing to understand the problem) you get more shit in the future.
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  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynn View Post
    You're confusing the real world definition of exploit, which has many uses depending on context, and falsely applying that to what is meant when a game developer calls something an exploit. They are not the same definition.

    An exploit in game terms is to gain an advantage in resources that was completely unintended by the game developer.

    They intended people to make money since they knew it was going to happen (expected it). Therefore it cannot possibly be an exploit.

    We can talk about if this was a smart decision or not, if you like. But it is pretty clear there is no exploit here.
    I was saying the real defintion of the word is funny. You didnt get it so I told you the defintion. I have confused nothing.

    Also I've been telling you the same defintion you just told me what game explotation is.

    They specifically say they didnt intend for that much gil to come in, by defintion we have an exploit.
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  6. #46
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    Mericle Nightshadow
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    dm still sells 4 there old sell price slower gil but do able
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  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    You can hold onto a transitional currency which is a problem as well. You can buy crystals off the market and then turn them into dawn drops and usually make ~600K for doing it.
    Yes, but why is this so wrong? it isnt the first time people sell Event items and get profit from it. If the crystal seller would rather sell the crystals cheaper and get less profit than doing the annoying buy drops and sell them, it is his own decision.

    While some people rather spend hours exchanging crystals into drops and then gil, others would rather play the game they are paying for, and in some cases make more gil because they got a rare materia or item that will sell for a lot more than what one person makes in 1 hours by exchanging drops.
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  8. #48
    Quote Originally Posted by TheRac25 View Post
    it is the correct fix, however why do you feel they deserve a proverbial pat on the ass?
    this is what should have been done to begin with.
    if you reward shit (in this case failing to understand the problem) you get more shit in the future.
    Are you daft? Why would they have made items you can already craft 1 gil to begin with excluding arrows/throwing weapons for obvious reasons?
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vogue View Post
    Yes, but why is this so wrong? it isnt the first time people sell Event items and get profit from it. If the crystal seller would rather sell the crystals cheaper and get less profit than doing the annoying buy drops and sell them, it is his own decision.

    While some people rather spend hours exchanging crystals into drops and then gil, others would rather play the game they are paying for, and in some cases make more gil because they got a rare materia or item that will sell for a lot more than what one person makes in 1 hours by exchanging drops.
    Its wrong only because its making too much money. Since npc's basically print money - the game is printing too much money right now. The game relies on a lot of sinks and trading of hands to keep gil down.

    There is a big difference when your boss pays you with circulated money, or if he just printed the money right there for you.
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  10. #50
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    Skadi Felis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Punainen View Post
    There shouldn't be a cookie-cutter method to leveling crafts. People should be able to level them on whatever they want to level them on.
    But fish is cheaper.
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