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    Wynn, your answer seemed a bit sarcastic. I take it it may not be important to you to play with the Japanese, the French, the German or the Australian. But it is to me. And obviously, if I choose one server that accommodates just one of those communities, I'll be losing a lot.

    Antipika, do you expect it to be easy to convince 80 people from different regions to move to the same server? And a JP one at that, when most of the community in those servers will lack NA/EU players that prefer everyone speaking their language?

    This change is only truly beneficial to those who do not care about anyone else but their own communities, that have only friends from the same region and that will move to the server closest to them. I wonder if this is the situation of the majority of FFXIV players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darshu View Post
    Wynn, your answer seemed a bit sarcastic. I take it it may not be important to you to play with the Japanese, the French, the German or the Australian. But it is to me. And obviously, if I choose one server that accommodates just one of those communities, I'll be losing a lot.

    Antipika, do you expect it to be easy to convince 80 people from different regions to move to the same server? And a JP one at that, when most of the community in those servers will lack NA/EU players that prefer everyone speaking their language?

    This change is only truly beneficial to those who do not care about anyone else but their own communities, that have only friends from the same region and that will move to the server closest to them. I wonder if this is the situation of the majority of FFXIV players.
    Well, I genuinely didn't mean it to be sarcastic. It is the truth. That is exactly what is going to happen from the viewpoint of people who choose to stay behind on the old servers. I'm sure anyone that thinks like you do is simply going to stay put on whatever server they are on.

    But you are wrong about something. This change is beneficial to people who care about their own gameplay experience. It has nothing to do with community.

    If your friends are really genuine, you are all going to stay together anyway. And if not, perhaps they weren't really your friends to begin with since they care more about server ping time than playing with you. Just food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynn View Post
    Well, I genuinely didn't mean it to be sarcastic. It is the truth. That is exactly what is going to happen from the viewpoint of people who choose to stay behind on the old servers. I'm sure anyone that thinks like you do is simply going to stay put on whatever server they are on.

    But you are wrong about something. This change is beneficial to people who care about their own gameplay experience. It has nothing to do with community.

    If your friends are really genuine, you are all going to stay together anyway. And if not, perhaps they weren't really your friends to begin with since they care more about server ping time than playing with you. Just food for thought.
    So I'm going to expect my friends to play on a laggy server otherwise they're not friends, but I'm not going to switch to their server because **** lag.

    Flawless logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiroh View Post
    So I'm going to expect my friends to play on a laggy server otherwise they're not friends, but I'm not going to switch to their server because **** lag.

    Flawless logic.
    It is perfectly logical, Soube...

    If someone you play with values their server lag over playing with you, it is an absolute prioritization and you are on the losing end. Can't get much more logical than that. It's just that kind of truth hurts to hear. I understand. Doesn't make it any less a reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynn View Post
    It is perfectly logical, Soube...

    If someone you play with values their server lag over playing with you, it is an absolute prioritization and you are on the losing end. Can't get much more logical than that. It's just that kind of truth hurts to hear. I understand. Doesn't make it any less a reality.
    Yes, it is perfectly logical. Absolutely. I am not being sarcastic in ANY way. >_>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynn View Post
    Well, I genuinely didn't mean it to be sarcastic. It is the truth. That is exactly what is going to happen from the viewpoint of people who choose to stay behind on the old servers. I'm sure anyone that thinks like you do is simply going to stay put on whatever server they are on.

    But you are wrong about something. This change is beneficial to people who care about their own gameplay experience. It has nothing to do with community.

    If your friends are really genuine, you are all going to stay together anyway. And if not, perhaps they weren't really your friends to begin with since they care more about server ping time than playing with you. Just food for thought.
    You must not have any true friends or your the type who has never thought about others. So if a friend from another region chooses to stay on a different server they must not have been a true friend? lol i don't even know what to say to that

    Sure this change might be beneficial to ones own game-play experience but this is not a single player game, its a MMO a game built on the community that plays it so i think community is really important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shura View Post
    You must not have any true friends or your the type who has never thought about others. So if a friend from another region chooses to stay on a different server they must not have been a true friend? lol i don't even know what to say to that

    Sure this change might be beneficial to ones own game-play experience but this is not a single player game, its a MMO a game built on the community that plays it so i think community is really important.
    Atomos break!

    Ok, let's clarify something up front. I realize people develop real friendships in online games. It happens every day.

    That said, there is a huge difference between a real friend and a in-game "friend."

    One is not going to abandon you no matter what because that's what friends do. The other will drop you on a dime if it benefits them because they aren't really your friend.

    Shocking, I know.

    Real friends interact outside of the game. Even if it's just email in the case of people who live far away from each other. I'd even go so far as to say if your entire relationship with a person is simply that you play more than one game concurrently together simply because you enjoy each other's company, you are real friends.

    Guarantee you that the person described above isn't going to up and move to another server on you.

    You see, my friends don't play this game. But if they did, I would play on their server. Why? Because they are my friends and I would want to play with them.

    However, if all you do is play XIV with someone and there is no other interaction what so ever. News flash: You're probably not friends and there is a good chance that they would up and disappear on you if it benefited them to do so.

    This is why some people are up in arms right now. Because it threatens the foundation of their entire social cosmos.

    Cute dig about the friends. The fact is, it is because I have real friends that this idea that someone I've played with on the internet for a year or more might not really be my friend and dissappear tomorrow doesn't rock my reality right down to its core.

    And if you really want to talk about thinking about others. This entire situation boils down to a handful of people who want to force others to play with them against their will. That's not thinking of others. That's exploiting others.

    If that's the "community" you refer to, I want no part of it.

    Quite frankly, it's disturbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynn View Post
    Atomos break!

    Ok, let's clarify something up front. I realize people develop real friendships in online games. It happens every day.

    That said, there is a huge difference between a real friend and a in-game "friend."

    One is not going to abandon you no matter what because that's what friends do. The other will drop you on a dime if it benefits them because they aren't really your friend.

    Shocking, I know.

    Real friends interact outside of the game. Even if it's just email in the case of people who live far away from each other. I'd even go so far as to say if your entire relationship with a person is simply that you play more than one game concurrently together simply because you enjoy each other's company, you are real friends.

    Guarantee you that the person described above isn't going to up and move to another server on you.

    You see, my friends don't play this game. But if they did, I would play on their server. Why? Because they are my friends and I would want to play with them.

    However, if all you do is play XIV with someone and there is no other interaction what so ever. News flash: You're probably not friends and there is a good chance that they would up and disappear on you if it benefited them to do so.

    This is why some people are up in arms right now. Because it threatens the foundation of their entire social cosmos.

    Cute dig about the friends. The fact is, it is because I have real friends that this idea that someone I've played with on the internet for a year or more might not really be my friend and dissappear tomorrow doesn't rock my reality right down to its core.

    And if you really want to talk about thinking about others. This entire situation boils down to a handful of people who want to force others to play with them against their will. That's not thinking of others. That's exploiting others.

    If that's the "community" you refer to, I want no part of it.

    Quite frankly, it's disturbing.
    Nice long post but not everyone's personal life is limited or separated between in-game friends and Real life friends. I lived in Paris for awhile and during that time i made a friend who i can now only play with online but does that mean hes not a friend? I originally got into FFXI in Japan where i was a transfer student for 2 years, friends who i still play with now, friends who i visited twice since then and who have come visited me, are they not my friends? I have friends who i chill with at home and ones i can only play with online, just because i can't meet with them outside the game every day does not mean they are not friends.

    Point being your personal situation is you have real life friends and online friends, with the clean separation between the two but not everyone personal life follows the same pattern. I'm not trying to force anyone to play against their will, the game was originally sold as being a global international game. Everyone knew this since ffxi days and before ffxiv release so those of us who want global servers are the ones being forced out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shura View Post
    Nice long post but not everyone's personal life is limited or separated between in-game friends and Real life friends. I lived in Paris for awhile and during that time i made a friend who i can now only play with online but does that mean hes not a friend? I originally got into FFXI in Japan where i was a transfer student for 2 years, friends who i still play with now, friends who i visited twice since then and who have come visited me, are they not my friends? I have friends who i chill with at home and ones i can only play with online, just because i can't meet with them outside the game every day does not mean they are not friends.

    Point being your personal situation is you have real life friends and online friends, with the clean separation between the two but not everyone personal life follows the same pattern. I'm not trying to force anyone to play against their will, the game was originally sold as being a global international game. Everyone knew this since ffxi days and before ffxiv release so those of us who want global servers are the ones being forced out.
    You're not being forced anywhere. Continue playing on the same server you have always played on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynn View Post
    You're not being forced anywhere. Continue playing on the same server you have always played on.
    Agree with that
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