Realm Reborn = downgrade?

[Valmonte]

what if, they have to DESTROYED it to bring better gaming experience??? I'm all for that

relax, ARR comes with trial period, decide carefully there

It was Destroyed for the twitch mechanics of PvP, but yeah relax as the only MMO i actually enjoy playing is being thrown right out the window.

[Aion]

It was Destroyed for the twitch mechanics of PvP, but yeah relax as the only MMO i actually enjoy playing is being thrown right out the window.

oh you have talked to the Dev for that?? good, I love PvP

[Valmonte]

oh you have talked to the Dev for that?? good, I love PvP

I was gifted with the power of judiciousness.

[Zenaku]

It was Destroyed for the twitch mechanics of PvP, but yeah relax as the only MMO i actually enjoy playing is being thrown right out the window.

I have to agree they messing up most part of the game to make sure PVP works and plays. It's like how many people are really going to do PVP? in FFXIV anyways? I don't mind pvp but i wont be wasting my time doing it.

Let's hope that 1-2years down the roads pvp don't mess up more PVE stuff for us.

[LemmingKingXXX]

It was Destroyed for the twitch mechanics of PvP, but yeah relax as the only MMO i actually enjoy playing is being thrown right out the window.

And if your efforts and those who agree with you to change what you don't like about it don't succeed through rational reasonable methods, then you will have to deal with that when it comes. They've already stated that alpha and beta will be of indeterminate length for the expressed purpose of giving the devs adequate time to respond to the input of the testers. If what we are given in beta is widely panned by the testers, they will probably make changes, but if too many people don't hate it, then it may not be changed and that will be disappointing. At this point the reasonable response will be to speak with your wallet and vacate the subscription. It's one of those downfalls to the hobby we have all chosen, that it is controlled to such a degree by so many other people and it can change in ways we do not enjoy. Do what you can to make the changes you would enjoy seeing but stop throwing buzzwords and insults, making changes and influencing opinions is harder to do when you act like a jackass.

[Valmonte]

And if your efforts and those who agree with you to change what you don't like about it don't succeed through rational reasonable methods, then you will have to deal with that when it comes. They've already stated that alpha and beta will be of indeterminate length for the expressed purpose of giving the devs adequate time to respond to the input of the testers. If what we are given in beta is widely panned by the testers, they will probably make changes, but if too many people don't hate it, then it may not be changed and that will be disappointing. At this point the reasonable response will be to speak with your wallet and vacate the subscription. It's one of those downfalls to the hobby we have all chosen, that it is controlled to such a degree by so many other people and it can change in ways we do not enjoy. Do what you can to make the changes you would enjoy seeing but stop throwing buzzwords and insults, making changes and influencing opinions is harder to do when you act like a jackass.

I'm not going to be nice or sugarcoat anything. i tire of that approach besides it didn't work before, its not going to work now.

[LemmingKingXXX]

I'm not going to be nice or sugarcoat anything. i tire of that approach besides it didn't work before, its not going to work now.

Then you may have to come to peace with this reality, because garnering support for your cause isn't helped by calling people "herp-a-derps". The sort of folks you want on your side will be influenced by reasoned polite arguments that don't try and insult their intelligence. Unfortunately, at least from personal observation of people in my relatively local community, you never have that many of those types which is disappointing but also means all you end up doing is screaming at a brick wall, for the popular method of internet persuasion tends not to work on the more stubborn folks.

[Nemy]

And if your efforts and those who agree with you to change what you don't like about it don't succeed through rational reasonable methods, then you will have to deal with that when it comes. They've already stated that alpha and beta will be of indeterminate length for the expressed purpose of giving the devs adequate time to respond to the input of the testers. If what we are given in beta is widely panned by the testers, they will probably make changes, but if too many people don't hate it, then it may not be changed and that will be disappointing. At this point the reasonable response will be to speak with your wallet and vacate the subscription. It's one of those downfalls to the hobby we have all chosen, that it is controlled to such a degree by so many other people and it can change in ways we do not enjoy. Do what you can to make the changes you would enjoy seeing but stop throwing buzzwords and insults, making changes and influencing opinions is harder to do when you act like a jackass.

I bet they won't really address the issue before the alpha, and hope for most people to just get used to it and become silent about it, during the test period. But i also bet people that will look into FFXIV at the 2.0 state would also be put off by the downgraded animation, since its not only bad compared to 1.0, but compared to other games too. We need to be vocal.

[LemmingKingXXX]

I bet they won't really address the issue before the alpha, and hope for most people to just get used to it and become silent about it, during the test period. But i also bet people that will look into FFXIV at the 2.0 state would also be put off by the downgraded animation, since its not only bad compared to 1.0, but compared to other games too. We need to be vocal.

Which is helped with a non-rokienesque poll post, as well as petitioning questions about such things for the live player's poll, and it may be up to you and those who agree with you to make sure these issues see the light of day in lieu of whatever beta testing populations don't come from 1.0 players. I'm merely cautioning that going too hardcore in your efforts will only serve to drive people away, and given the opportunities we're being given to still affect great changes throughout a beta with an indefinite end period, there isn't an extreme need for urgency yet (ala the summoning system folks were freaking out about a little while ago).