This kind of thing has to stop...

[kazaran]

A majority of Japanese players with higher english can speak decent english, some Japanese can not.

Part of it is SE, part of it is the players being arrogant. Hopefully they will put the MS or Google EDU translator in which does a better job.

Yet to put JA only is just arrogance, and some are nto exactly the best players. In a global community everyone needs to bend.

[Colino]

inb4 weaboo defense force.

You're way too late on that one my friend.

This kind of thing isn't about being racist, it's about communication.

Of course. I don't think anyone in their right mind would claim it's actual racism.

The only logic I think people shouting should use is quite simple: if you only want Jp speaking players, just type the whole shout in Japanese. Obviously non japanese speaking players will not understand what you're shouting for or ask you to join.

But if you're using auto-translate you should expect others to use auto-translate as well, even if they can't speak japanese.

[Delsus]

I'll give an example of why auto-translate can be sketchy at times. In FFXI we would use the auto-translate {Bee} {ready!} meaning be ready or please be ready, which is fine in English, be, and bee sound exactly the same so we can understand it, now what the Japanese auto-translate would read is {鉢} {準備を！} when it should read ある準備を！

These 2 terms in romaji are Hachi junbi o! for the auto translated, and Aru junbi o! for what we mean, these are completely different and it will cause a lot of confusion for a Japanese player, yes we make terms up that sound fine to us but in another language they will sound completely different.

This is what makes it impossible to use auto translate for harder content, as someone above said try to explain the entire Garuda fight to me using nothing but auto-translate terms, I assure you it will not go well.

Personally I wouldn't mind if someone could make an auto-translate addon in ARR when we get user created addons, just click a button to choose language and type in English, the problem would be the complexity of the Japanese language and how small things can change the meaning of the sentence.

Example, if someone was shouting for Garuda and you wanted to go on BLM, you type "do you need a black mage?" it would appear on the Japanese player's screen as "あなたは、黒魔道士が必要なのでしょうか" or for people who can't read it: "Anata wa, kuro madō-shi ga hitsuyōna nodeshou ka"

Disclaimer: All Japanese in this post was done on Google translate, if there are any mistakes with words or kanji take it up with Google, not me.

[Seig345]

I can understand the frustration behind this, but to me, this seems to come across as wanting to make other people play with you, whether they want to or not. We're not talking about applying for a job or event. No one's stopping you from playing the game. All players are allowed to choose who they do and do not play the game with, regardless of their reasons.

You can agree or disagree with those reasons, and debate whether or not those reasons are *looks up dramatically and shakes fist* "Wrong!" until you're blue in the face (or carpal tunnel in the wrists), but I haven't read anything in this thread that suggests something that needs to be stopped. Player groups are entirely a player affair, there's no calling the teacher to come over and make them let you play four-square with them at recess.

If I've misinterpreted the OP, I apologize.

[HiirNoivl]

That's true Seig. If they want JP onry, then give them JP onry using Google Translate. It's not perfect but it works and so long as you don't type too much you should be able to fake your way through it.

[Jennestia]

Signing up for an Endgame Shell: "You MUST have all classes to 50 even DoH/DoL."
Signing up for an Endgame Shell: "You MUST use Teamspeak/Vent/Mumble."
Shouting for Primals: "<Primal> <Do you need it?> 1/8, BLM, BRD, WHM and Tank Please."
Shouting for CC SB: "BLMs and BRDs only please."
Shouting for Regular SB parties: "BLMs, BRD, WHM and WARs please."
Shouting for Dungeons: "BLMs, BRDs, WHM and Tank (WAR) please."

So what's the difference with Japanese players shouting for others who can speak Japanese and what pretty much everyone else does? Showing a preference? It's about communication even in regular parties, so those who say "You don't need to talk in x" just because you choose to be anti-social doesn't mean everyone else view that belief.

[Andrien]

When I shout and recruit for party members, all language is welcomed. However I understand if someone is not comfortable communicating in a different language. It might be embarrassing for them if they make mistakes.

The auto-translate phrases is nice, but I think something like a google translate will be better lol?

[Levian]

I've never understood people's inclination to use the translator for <May> <Bee> Over just typing Maybe. I mean you already typed ma and be, which is 4/5 letters and hit tab twice. Would it take that much longer to find the Y key that you'd rather double tap the tab key? Or is it just that amusing to confuse the shit out of JP players and the (apparently) few people that understand how the translator works? Somebody clue me in on this one, cause I'm stumped.

As for the topic at hand, I've been in JP parties, invited JP to parties, and overlooked JP players in favor of someone that spoke my native language even for simple things like XP grinds. Sometimes you just don't wanna screw with the translator, even if you don't suck at using it. It's a little disappointing to see JP ONLY shouts, but I don't hold it against them, I've done the same. You want a remedy for the issue at hand, start an LS. When you pug something add the players that don't suck to your LS, or if they don't want another LS add them to your friend list. Start using tools other than waiting for the right shouts, because you're never going get rid of JP ONLY.

[Jennestia]

Using Google Translate isn't any better but it's actually a lot more understandable at times when people decipher it lol -- You get the idea across but it won't really save you. A lot of Japanese know basic english, this is true -- however most prefer not to use even that because of either comfort level or because in Japan it's not a national language, therefore you rarely need to even use your requirement of it.

What Levian said is also the other reason Japanese tend to stray from the AT -- Using basic words with it doesn't translate to what you're saying at all -- If I see <May> <Bee> while on the Japanese settings, I'm not going to assume you're saying "Maybe" or even anywhere close to it -- I'm going to be confused as hell first then not caring second. Japanese players understand basic things like "Ok" and abbrivations like 'brb' 'afk' '(class/jobs)' etc, but most want to communicate beyond basic things, especially in content.

[Ruisu]

No, it's completely not understandable.

For exp parties, and mog, and ifrit? No, it isn't understandable. You're right. However, when it's something that requires a bit of coordination, like Garuda or CC/AV, then yes, I can see why it's preferred to speak their native language.

From my experience, and the experience of many many people, Japanese don't want to play with any gaijin, so you know what, let them be in their own little ffxiv world, just like irl.

I've had plenty of JP players in my parties, and it's generally without problems. If you actually look at the JP forums, whenever someone recommends regional servers, there are 10x as many posts that disagree with regional servers. So it's hardly the fact that they don't like us filthy gaijin.