PLD Gear?

[Nayrr]

For new PLD, dont only listen to one side of argument, try different gears and see what works and available for you.

This^

There are multiple ways to achieve the same goal. One needs to try out different gear sets and see how each one works for them. If a certain set works for you while it seems overwhelmingly disregarded by others, then go ahead and use it. There's no real point in others calling that set dumb if it works for prevailing in content. Try out what others suggest and test it. That should help you recognize what set best works for how you tank.

[Aceofspades]

Am convinced now,

Stufoo is a troll. Always soo critical but offers nothing to back up claims. Its cool, i realy dont care, but if your not gona be constructive, why post? Its ok to disagree, but you dont simply disagree, you troll, offer no constructive critisim and flame. Would love to get this forum back on topic....

[Daniel_Fury]

45 enmity is nice, but like you say you lose mind, mind is more valuable (imo) as a pld,

11 def is more valuable then 13 vit.

34 hp is a joke

+5 regen can be made up with higher vit numbers, wich I understand is contradictory to what I just stated but thats because I dont use mind/acc/str rings, I use HQ vit rings, wich more then makes up for the lack of vit on the gear and further increases strength of self buffs and damage mitigation. Not sure how conclusive this is, as I have just hear of it, but some are saying it effects block power, wich is huge in my book. Overall , Crafted materiaed gear is more valuable, at least in this case.

You're right, 10 vit = 1% dmg mitigated from a shield block. If you take 1000 damage, you reduce your damage by 10 damage. So your +1 vit rings = 36 vit = 3.6% dmg mitigation.

So when it comes to comparing, your 11 defense vs 45 emnity 34 hp +5 regen per tick and 13 vit, you can lose 32 mind but as I said it can be made up with rings.

I wont laugh at your set and say it's useless because it is not, what I'm trying to say is, that all these items that take a long time to gain, stacked together are worth the trouble because together they cover alot more areas of hate, accuracy and damage mitigation, mp managment and damage in one go as opposed to just stacking damage mitigation. They have similar damage mitigation BUT you get all those bonuses on top.

[Denmo]

You should only stack VIT as a PLD if you're trying to survive running through trash mobs (like say, AV).

Otherwise, HP, MND, Accuracy, and STR.

[Catapult]

For new PLD, dont only listen to one side of argument, try different gears and see what works and available for you.

As a new tank, I shall take that advice. Thank you.

It's so nice to see people getting along...

[Stufoo]

Stufoo is a troll.

Ok, I am the troll I guess. You're the one throwing around the conclusions with nothing to back it up, not even game experience and accomplishments. You didn't even know VIT gives you block power. You don't know how to correctly read the damage parses you record yourself. You didn't even know you could calculate enmity, and you've criticized people for months about having specific figures for provoke and flash. You think Enmity+ benefits a DPS oriented tank more, this is not true, it is a flat percentage boost for all enmity generation, and is equal on every method. That's why we use it, it's universal.

I would LOVE to see your HP/ENMITY built take the damage I take

Conclusion; DLH is overrated for PLD set up.

I already showed you a 3/3 Heavy Darklight build with more defense and more vitality than your materia stacked gear. It also has 500 more HP and 200 more enmity. Literally every full HDL paladin can do this. Their "HP/ENMITY built" also just happens to have more DEF and VIT than you too. Why is it not a "HP/ENMITY/DEF/VIT" build? You trash HDL so much, I am starting to become suspicious... Are you racist? Nah, probably not. You just can't get it, and for that, I am truly sorry. I hope when 2.0 comes out I can find you in the cross-server content finder and tank it for you, and help you get tokens. I really do. You can play black mage

If you want to bring up quad meld DEF bodies and shields I'll just tell you to stop because the majority of players in endgame still wouldn't give up HDL for a defense gain on body. It's not possible because of our damage dealers. You are an indignant, poor, fool who has no clue how this game is played. See, we know what the stats do. You don't. I don't post stat formulas because the people I care about already know what they do. Thanks Kaeko!

the whms are the only reason you can take a hit

No, the fact I have 4600 HP means I can do whatever the hell I want and never die. I stand in every single Chimera breath on purpose and heal myself because I can. I thought you'd appreciate this, you seemed so against dodging Coincounter's attacks because you could mitigate them, which by the way is so easy even WAR does it better. Well hey, not only am I mitigating them, I'm healing myself and gaining enmity! You should be worshipping me with your bad logic.

We take one white mage in and he is never close to my enmity, he's mostly a regen bot and esuna bot for when I can't be bothered to move out of Breath of the Dragon, and he nukes ants so my black mages kill Chimera before the ant phase is over. You can't even kill Chimera, much less support the enmity generation to accomplish a 3 minute kill. You just can't do that in your gear.

Remember Ace, I'm only a jerk because you're stupid. You made this happen. It's all your fault. Have a good day!

(PS: I know you don't have a lot of experience with Chimera, so I'll give you a cool hint. Breath of the Dragon is the one that paralyzes you)

[Sylkis]

This thread belongs in General(trash)...



Anyway my PLD is built around ENM/ACC/STR/MND for as much hate as possible because you will not have much time to build it against bosses you care about; you will be dodging as much as possible.

[Judge_Xero]

You should only stack VIT as a PLD if you're trying to survive running through trash mobs (like say, AV).

Otherwise, HP, MND, Accuracy, and STR.

On trash mobs, you would be better to stack Dex (Block Rate) and wear a high Block Rate Shield.
It would be better to block 36% of damage 87% of the time, than 50% of damage 42% of the time.

(Divine Veil @ 100% Block Rate + 75% Block Rate VS. Divine Veil @ 100% Block Rate + 30% Block Rate)

But for your example - AV or CC where your DV timer comes off between rooms and the mob levels are still high you are correct to stack VIT for Block and rely on the 20 second timer for DV

This thread belongs in General(trash)...

There is a lot of great information on a lot of these posts. Especially the DEF testing (amazing).
It's also a great example of how people interpret a perfectly laid out set of data and testing (seems that some people still don't get it), and also shows the various ways people play PLD.

[Verytus]

Hey guys,

I've been reading through this thread and like so many others, it's had a lot of good stuff said that has unfortunately spilled over from an argument between people to an argument about people. We're fine with people having spirited debate and attacking each others arguments constructively, but if personal attacks persist, we will have to close this thread, so let's try to keep on topic and just keep it civil.

Thanks for all your posts!

-Verytus

[Darkillumina]

This thread is gold. Regardless, the only thing I have to add is the recommendation of the Militia gorget. The few who posted the raw stats and know what's up. I salute you. You know who you are.

With regards to the Militia Gorget, I am of the opinion that it is a tad bit overrated. I had one and tried it out in various situations but ending up selling it. The reason being that I prefer the +15 accuracy and crit hit + the explorer's offers or even the attack the electrum +1 offers. This is personal preference of course but I prefer to hit hard and hit accurately, doubly so on Warrior. Even with 2 minute Miser kills, the militia gorget didn't make or break the fight with regards to Miser turning.

Enmity is an important stat and that 3% may raise the parties DPS ceiling a wee bit, but for me I just simply prefer what the explorer's or the electrum offers. Again, this is personal preference. I look at each battle differently and gear accordingly. But I have never yet encountered a situation where the militia gorget made or broke any of our runs. So basically if you need some enmity help, get it but if you don't notice too much of a difference, sell it and enjoy your 10-15 million.

Also just to follow up on the lominsan overcoat; That thing is boss. It covers all a paladins needs with an extra 70 defense with sanction enabled (220 Defence.) Another bonus is the Lominsan weapons offering inherent accuracy when compared to the Moogle weapons. Honestly, if you are a career tank starting out, the Maelstrom offers the best tanking gear hands down.