PLD Gear?

[Molly_Millions]

Basically get as much VIT as possible, but don't go overboard because you'll replace it with heavy darklight's more varied benefits or a differently focused body piece anyway.

IMO you can't recommend DL or HDL gear, because it can't be bought and the drop rate is atrocious. Not everyone has the time to dedicate to farming DL or HDL. For most of us that gear is something we'll get if we're lucky, it's not an inevitability. It might be, if we all had 18 hours a day to dedicate to farming it, but that's not the case. Until something changes with the drop rate, any discussion about gear, is a conversation about how to gear your char sans DL and HDL.

[GreyJorildyn]

IMO you can't recommend DL or HDL gear, because it can't be bought and the drop rate is atrocious. Not everyone has the time to dedicate to farming DL or HDL. For most of us that gear is something we'll get if we're lucky, it's not an inevitability. It might be, if we all had 18 hours a day to dedicate to farming it, but that's not the case. Until something changes with the drop rate, any discussion about gear, is a conversation about how to gear your char sans DL and HDL.

Incorrect. When you have discussions about gear, you put them in order of best to worse in terms of situations. You cannot simply decide to discount gear because YOU cannot personally attain it. With your logic, you would have to also leave out gear people cannot afford because of materia prices or whatever. That is just totally ridiculous.

[Judge_Xero]

Tbh, Judge, I don't think we can count blocks when aegis boon is in effect because you end up gaining HP, not losing it. We can only count blocks done without it.

So 100 VIT or 100 Def over 1000 Damage (physical)

VIT - 100 HP, 66 Def, 66 Mdef, 10% Block - 989 or 900 when blocked
Def - 100 Def - 980

With Divine Veil always on cooldown you're 20 sec/min @ 100% Block
so say every 5 seconds you get a 1000 damage attack.

VIT - 60 sec - 11512 Damage - (Calculations are being estimated at 10% Block (100 VIT), with Divine Veil)
Def - 60 sec - 11760 Damage - (Calculations are being estimated at 0% Block with 100 Def)

Just to clarify, because against high Dlvl, Block Rate is super low, the above was calculated with only Divine Veil, so 100% Block for 20 seconds out of 1 minute.

[GreyJorildyn]

Well excuse us for us not wanting the people who are clearly wrong to continue to confuse those asking questions. It's honestly been going on for too long and it's detrimental to upcoming paladins to lack clarification. That's where we're coming from. Some may be more blunt than others and that's their perogative, but the message is the same and good advice was provided here, even if a little harshly. I can only apologize for my part in it, so sorry for that. I am trying to help too, but at times it is frustratig when it is the same people arguing incorrect points time and time again. Surely you cN see how maddening that can be, even if not all responses are not necessarily "appropriate".

[Chardrizard]

Lol this thread, leave Molly and Ace be, if their choice works for them, it works. I am with Stufoo and Grey on this, i also thinks its not optimal if you wants to beat difficult stuff Garuda or 17min raids. But, i am not here to tell you are wrong, because time will tell when you keep trying and unable to pull them off, but i respect your opinion on this matter except the part where two of you calling people nolifers for beating a content takes 17min to do. Incredibly ignorant and childish.

For new PLD, dont only listen to one side of argument, try different gears and see what works and available for you.

[Nayrr]

For new PLD, dont only listen to one side of argument, try different gears and see what works and available for you.

This^

There are multiple ways to achieve the same goal. One needs to try out different gear sets and see how each one works for them. If a certain set works for you while it seems overwhelmingly disregarded by others, then go ahead and use it. There's no real point in others calling that set dumb if it works for prevailing in content. Try out what others suggest and test it. That should help you recognize what set best works for how you tank.

[Catapult]

For new PLD, dont only listen to one side of argument, try different gears and see what works and available for you.

As a new tank, I shall take that advice. Thank you.

It's so nice to see people getting along...

[Molly_Millions]

i respect your opinion on this matter except the part where two of you calling people nolifers for beating a content takes 17min to do.

It might take 17 mins if you've spent the time to memorize every aspect of the dungeon. I guarantee nobody has ever walked into AV on their first try with party members who are no more familiar with it than knowing where the af is, and complete a 17 min speed run. Anyone who's done a 17 min run has had plenty of practice on it first, or went in there with 7 other people who have. I, and the people I usually play with have not spent the time learning that dungeon. Now, you can continue calling a lack of experience a lack of ability, but two are definitely not the same.

[Aceofspades]

Am convinced now,

Stufoo is a troll. Always soo critical but offers nothing to back up claims. Its cool, i realy dont care, but if your not gona be constructive, why post? Its ok to disagree, but you dont simply disagree, you troll, offer no constructive critisim and flame. Would love to get this forum back on topic....

[Stufoo]

Stufoo is a troll.

Ok, I am the troll I guess. You're the one throwing around the conclusions with nothing to back it up, not even game experience and accomplishments. You didn't even know VIT gives you block power. You don't know how to correctly read the damage parses you record yourself. You didn't even know you could calculate enmity, and you've criticized people for months about having specific figures for provoke and flash. You think Enmity+ benefits a DPS oriented tank more, this is not true, it is a flat percentage boost for all enmity generation, and is equal on every method. That's why we use it, it's universal.

I would LOVE to see your HP/ENMITY built take the damage I take

Conclusion; DLH is overrated for PLD set up.

I already showed you a 3/3 Heavy Darklight build with more defense and more vitality than your materia stacked gear. It also has 500 more HP and 200 more enmity. Literally every full HDL paladin can do this. Their "HP/ENMITY built" also just happens to have more DEF and VIT than you too. Why is it not a "HP/ENMITY/DEF/VIT" build? You trash HDL so much, I am starting to become suspicious... Are you racist? Nah, probably not. You just can't get it, and for that, I am truly sorry. I hope when 2.0 comes out I can find you in the cross-server content finder and tank it for you, and help you get tokens. I really do. You can play black mage

If you want to bring up quad meld DEF bodies and shields I'll just tell you to stop because the majority of players in endgame still wouldn't give up HDL for a defense gain on body. It's not possible because of our damage dealers. You are an indignant, poor, fool who has no clue how this game is played. See, we know what the stats do. You don't. I don't post stat formulas because the people I care about already know what they do. Thanks Kaeko!

the whms are the only reason you can take a hit

No, the fact I have 4600 HP means I can do whatever the hell I want and never die. I stand in every single Chimera breath on purpose and heal myself because I can. I thought you'd appreciate this, you seemed so against dodging Coincounter's attacks because you could mitigate them, which by the way is so easy even WAR does it better. Well hey, not only am I mitigating them, I'm healing myself and gaining enmity! You should be worshipping me with your bad logic.

We take one white mage in and he is never close to my enmity, he's mostly a regen bot and esuna bot for when I can't be bothered to move out of Breath of the Dragon, and he nukes ants so my black mages kill Chimera before the ant phase is over. You can't even kill Chimera, much less support the enmity generation to accomplish a 3 minute kill. You just can't do that in your gear.

Remember Ace, I'm only a jerk because you're stupid. You made this happen. It's all your fault. Have a good day!

(PS: I know you don't have a lot of experience with Chimera, so I'll give you a cool hint. Breath of the Dragon is the one that paralyzes you)