Seems like alot of people want this game to become Free 2 Play. >.>

[Mijin]

Then with the greatest respect, you are an idiot and responsible for holding back talented game developers with your narrow-mindedness. Whether you agree or not, F2P is how it is going to be in the future for most new MMO's. If you refuse to see anything more than Pay to Win in a F2P title, then you are going to be losing out on some excellent games.

I'll be loosing out on what exactly? Games like Aion, Age of Conan, DDO, Gw2, and a fps mmo that doesn't even seem remotely interesting to me?

I'm a career FFXIV player, I have no interest in other games. I played FFXI for 7 years and I intend to play XIV even longer. Just because you have the opinion that you like free to play games, doesn't give you the right to call me an idiot. I would like to point something out to you, World of Warcraft, ever heard of it? That's right, the leader of the industry in MMO's isn't a free to play game, so all of these titles you're throwing out there to support your own opinion seem just like a desperate attempt at trying to win a loosing argument.

People who support the pay to play format aren't holding back anyone, that was an ignorant statement considering that the game's director himself stated in an interview that he didn't feel that free to play was the direction he wanted for FFXIV.

Please don't post anymore.

[A5ko]

So... Because one free to play game has pay to win features, all free games have pay to win features? Generalizing isn't a good thing to do.

Sadly this seems to be the #1 problem with posters on these boards.

I'm sure the many F2P games raking in money and active players are not concerned with such a small fish like FFXIV as it stands now. If the only way for FFXIV 2.0 to survive is go free to play, I find it very hard to believe that the mass population would just up and leave.

[Delsus]

So... Because one free to play game has pay to win features, all free games have pay to win features? Generalizing isn't a good thing to do.

Its the most profitable way to make money "Here buy this sexy subligar for your vanity slot!!!" um.. yeah I'll pass, or "Here buy this awesome ship with nanoprobe technology which will decimate Borg cubes!!!!" which has more appeal to you? Its business and in business you want things that will sell.

[Ingolf]

Its the most profitable way to make money "Here buy this sexy subligar for your vanity slot!!!" um.. yeah I'll pass, or "Here buy this awesome ship with nanoprobe technology which will decimate Borg cubes!!!!" which has more appeal to you? Its business and in business you want things that will sell.

Well actually, the most profitable way is to create a trusting relationship between developer and consumer.

[Delsus]

Sadly this seems to be the #1 problem with posters on these boards.

I'm sure the many F2P games raking in money and active players are not concerned with such a small fish like FFXIV as it stands now. If the only way for FFXIV 2.0 to survive is go free to play, I find it very hard to believe that the mass population would just up and leave.

If I had to buy a relic just to be effective or buy the best armour yes I would. There is no money in vanity items unless they look like they are worth it, the real money is in pay to win.

[Ingolf]

Sadly this seems to be the #1 problem with posters on these boards.

I'm sure the many F2P games raking in money and active players are not concerned with such a small fish like FFXIV as it stands now. If the only way for FFXIV 2.0 to survive is go free to play, I find it very hard to believe that the mass population would just up and leave.

Yup. Yoshida even said that he would consider a different subscription model if the time came for it.

[Ingolf]

If I had to buy a relic just to be effective or buy the best armour yes I would. There is no money in vanity items unless they look like they are worth it, the real money is in pay to win.

Team Fortress 2 disagrees with you.

[Mijin]

Give me an example of a pay to win item in GW2.

I'll link you to the gem store here: link

And actually the free to play model was pioneered a long time ago, not by a game with low subs.

All the items listed under "Boosts" for example... Quite a lot of them are actually, i'd say more than half the items on that page you linked to represent to pay to win problem.

[Andrien]

Of course I have never played STO, I have never seen their 20 euro ships, which are the best, oh and new ones are being released all the time, the only way that would be cheaper than FFXIV would mean releasing new ships no more often than every 3 months. Then lets no forget the lock boxes, keys for STO cost about 10 euros for 10, you can need over 100 to get the exclusive items from them if you are unlucky.

Large exp boost almost 9 euros

Lets not forget the fact we have 2 characters one FED one klingon, and the ships can only be used with their respective faction, so a new klingon and FED escourt comes out, that's about 40 euros straight up, then 2 months later 2 more come, better thats another 40 euros 80 euros in 2 months is really cheaper than FFXIV.

You pay more to be effective at F2P games than subscription there's the proof.

Here is the link to the c-store for STO for you to ponder on. http://sto.perfectworld.com/cstore

And the prices for perfect world Zen:

€45.00 5,000 + 300
€27.00 3,000
€18.00 2,000
€9.00 1,000
€4.50 500

(They only do Zen in USD and EUR thats why I haven't used GBP)

Or you can join a fleet, and if your fleet shipyard level is high enough you can buy fleet ships. Oh, and you can farm dilithium crystals and sell them for Zen. So you don't have to pay a dime to earn any Zen. Oh snap I just saved you a lot of cash!

[Ingolf]

All the items listed under "Boosts" for example... Quite a lot of them are actually, i'd say more than half the items on that page you linked to represent to pay to win problem.

So... Items that effect literally nothing in PVP (they don't work) are pay to win? What exactly is your definition of pay to win? You gain very little, and can also obtain them in game on a daily basis (with daily rewards)

The bonuses offer less than some of the crafted food that you can make.

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