PLD Gear?

[Molly_Millions]

20 VIT is 13 defense, helps magical damage taken as well (numbers are fuzzy), 10 block power, and 20 HP.

Block power is pretty much worthless, as is 20 hp. Out of the two block related stats, block rate is more important. Def is both magical damage taken and physical, I believe, but I'm looking for test results.

20 Defense is 20 Defense.
20 VIT is 13 defense.

You are proving my point for me here. Assuming your math is correct, 20 DEF is worth 30.77 VIT in terms of defense.


Use VIT for WAR gear, use DEF for PLD if you want damage mitigation.

[Stufoo]

Def is both magical damage taken and physical, I believe

Stop posting when you only believe stuff, that's your problem. VIT is both physical and magical, Defense is not magical that's what resistance is for and why there's an entire subsection of materia called elemental veil. Do you have any clue how this game works? Why would they need an extra trait on protect to lower magical damage as well if defense (what you get from protect) mitigated it in the first place?

Stop posting.

[Aceofspades]

Stop posting when you only believe stuff, that's your problem. VIT is both physical and magical, Defense is not magical that's what resistance is for and why there's an entire subsection of materia called elemental veil. Do you have any clue how this game works? Why would they need an extra trait on protect to lower magical damage as well if defense (what you get from protect) mitigated it in the first place?

Stop posting.

LOL , coming from a person who perfers DLH armor? As a matter of fact both are important but def is more benifical in damage mitigation then vit. Would you like a parse to test against? Would be happy to supply one on monday, given my static dosent afk on the weekend, (not likely event) I would LOVE to see your HP/ENMITY built take the damage I take, your stuck in this pre war tank world where everything revolves around tanks dealing damage and staking enmity, who cares if the whms are the only reason you can take a hit , right? moron, better idea, YOU stop posting

[Daniel_Fury]

LOL , coming from a person who perfers DLH armor? As a matter of fact both are important but def is more benifical in damage mitigation then vit. Would you like a parse to test against? Would be happy to supply one on monday, given my static dosent afk on the weekend, (not likely event) I would LOVE to see your HP/ENMITY built take the damage I take, your stuck in this pre war tank world where everything revolves around tanks dealing damage and staking enmity, who cares if the whms are the only reason you can take a hit , right? moron, better idea, YOU stop posting

Just browsing through casually, reading some arguements when i came across this.

Just fyi about the heavy darklight set. The body alone has 30+ defense over any standard high tiered body and helmet combination, 20 vit on it, about 80 hp combined for head and body, 45 emnity, regen +5 and shitty m.eva stat. Now, I'm not a huge fan of that body piece myself (due to my mind loss) but it sure mitigates a hell of alot more damage than your body piece and helmet combination would, meaning for that certain discussion, that body piece is the works.

[dragorian]

Stop posting when you only believe stuff, that's your problem. VIT is both physical and magical, Defense is not magical that's what resistance is for and why there's an entire subsection of materia called elemental veil. Do you have any clue how this game works? Why would they need an extra trait on protect to lower magical damage as well if defense (what you get from protect) mitigated it in the first place?

Stop posting.

maybe you should stop posting why do you get such a high by bashing other ppls opinion's serioysly i thought the bashing thread was on some other site

[GreyJorildyn]

get off your high horse jackass, and show me some test results for defense like i asked.

http://kanican.livejournal.com/#asset-kanican-55915

[Molly_Millions]

http://kanican.livejournal.com/#asset-kanican-55915

You know, I had actually seen that before. I read the hell out of that blog when I was researching my materia hierarchy for PLD. At the time, I concluded that physical damage reduction was more important than reducing magical damage taken, and due to the increasing returns from DEF (due to dlvl) physical damage reduction was easier to accomplish, and therefore a more realistic approach. Compound that with the fact that PLD doesn't get a damage increase from adding VIT like WAR does and the choice of DEF over VIT was simple. However, at the time I didn't account for the fact that VIT would increase the effectiveness of stoneskin, because I personally don't use it much on my PLD.

[SwordCoheir]

I'd honestly upgrade with these options in mind.

MH: Garuda's Gaze, Giantsgall Longsword, Mog Blade, Lieutenant's Weapon, Sergeant's Weapon (Ifrit's Decent but it's the lowest on the End Game Weaponry)
OH: Thormoen's Purpose / Vintage Kite Shield +1 (Def Meld)
Helm: Cobalt/Sentinels Celata (MND Meld) (Try for a 30 Minimum at least)
Body: Cobalt Cuirass (VIT or Def Meld, your pick) (Aim for 30+ as well)
Gloves: Cobalt/Sentinel's Gauntlets (STR Meld) (Again aim for 30+)
Legs: Militia Trousers / Felt Trousers (STR/VIT Meld) (Try to get at least 15 STR/VIT)
Feet: Sentinel's/Cobalt Sabatons (Meld w/e you want, feet materia options are horrible)
Waist: Cobalt/Sentinel's Plate Belt (Aim for 40+ Enmity)

And upgrade to the best undies and undershirt you can find or get made. A few def is a few def no matter how you look at it.

Accessories:
Ear: Stonewall Earrings / Raven's Earring
Neck: Militia Choker / Explorer's Choker
Wrist: Coral Armillae / Raptorskin Bracelet
Rings: Rubellite Ring +1 x2 / Electrum Ring +1 x2

Block power is pretty much worthless, as is 20 hp. Out of the two block related stats, block rate is more important. Def is both magical damage taken and physical, I believe, but I'm looking for test results.

Negative, defense only impacts physical damage, VIT however affects all non-DoT damage taken. It's actually a toss up either way tbh, VIT doesn't quite benefit mitigation as well as straight Defense, but it offers magical resistance in return and boosts your Enhancement Magic Potency (which actually scales pretty good in this game) making Stoneskin/Protect and other magic buffs stronger in turn.

[Molly_Millions]

Negative, defense only impacts physical damage, VIT however affects all non-DoT damage taken. It's actually a toss up either way tbh, VIT doesn't quite benefit mitigation as well as straight Defense, but it offers magical resistance in return and boosts your Enhancement Magic Potency (which actually scales pretty good in this game) making Stoneskin/Protect and other magic buffs stronger in turn.

Do you have test results or know where I can find some? Because I haven't seen any tests for DEF. I've seen them for VIT, but not for DEF. Without test results, this is an assumption.

[SwordCoheir]

Do you have test results or know where I can find some? Because I haven't seen any tests for DEF. I've seen them for VIT, but not for DEF. Without test results, this is an assumption.

Well as Stufoo pointed out there is a trait given to CONJ/WHM that adds/increases magical defense gained from Protect.

http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Enhanced_Protect

And back when the classes were initially revamped in 1.19 (1.20 maybe?), they did state that when they removed Shell they were adding a trait to Conj that gives Protect Magical Defense properties, so it's generally believed that they are classified as separate stats.

Considering there is no Magic Defense stat, I can easily see why you could assume that. But if you cast/receive Protect from a CONJ/WHM if you look at your elemental resistances they themselves increase. So it leads me to believe that your resistances is your only form of Magic Defense outside of VIT.

If you wan't an example of why Defense isn't generally believed to affect Magic Defense though, I can tell you on more than a few occasions when doing Garuda anyone who get's hit with Mistral Shriek/Song generally get's hit for around the same amount of damage as I do on either PLD or WAR.