I wouldn't mind FFXIV becoming a WoW clone in the casual/hardcore appeal if...

[Nakiamiie]

TL;DR: Some people have more free time than others, and want to feel special because of it.

IT'S CRAP LIKE THIS THAT IS KILLING GAMING!

I totally agree with this non-sarcastic comment.
Time sinks (stupidly ridiculous low drops or the task of gathering 100 billion items to advance 1 step) need to disappear from gaming. It would be much more preferable if they were to add new content every 3 months or build on the actual content, rather than simply making it a time sink and then laugh at people actually trying to attempt it and beat the odds.

[fusional]

that comment is idiotic anyway. people with more free time want to feel special because of it, eh? how about people who want the same rewards for exponentially less work? what a ridiculous double standard.

[Reiterpallasch]

Drop the endgame debate. FFXI and WoW both have some very difficult endgame. What separates the two is prior to endgame. FFXI is far less forgiving at getting to endgame then WoW is. It forces players to group to level, soloing isn't viable (with the exception of one class out of twenty)

Actually, that might have been true a couple years ago, but it's far from it now.

Of these two games, guess which one lets you hit the level cap in a day or two while completely afk.

[Rollan]

Comparing and contrasting FFXIV to any other game is gonna get us nowhere..

[TimonLoon]

that comment is idiotic anyway. people with more free time want to feel special because of it, eh? how about people who want the same rewards for exponentially less work? what a ridiculous double standard.

I just don't have the time to play FFXI all over again... I'm surprised most of the people here don't feel the same way. Seeing as how we were all around 13-16 when we started playing the game. It's been 10 years, we're older, we have jobs/careers, have to take care of family etc... I personally, can't be bothered to camp HNMs for hours like I used to. Showing up to my 7:30am class tired as fuck cause I was up for Nidhogg at JP time is not something I want to or can repeat. That said, I would still like to play a game where I can partake in endgame and be rewarded for my time.

This is why instanced, accessible raids that can be done with a group at any scheduled time is the way to go. Along with a loot system that rewards progress and completion of content instead of luck. I don't want to see Moogle and Ifrit again, I want to see Garuda though.

[Kiote]

Vanilla WoW was unforgiving, maybe as bad as FFXI was.

Vanilla WoW was actually good.. When it worked lol.

I wish it had never went easy mode.

[Kiote]

I totally agree with this non-sarcastic comment.
Time sinks (stupidly ridiculous low drops or the task of gathering 100 billion items to advance 1 step) need to disappear from gaming. It would be much more preferable if they were to add new content every 3 months or build on the actual content, rather than simply making it a time sink and then laugh at people actually trying to attempt it and beat the odds.

Adding New content every three months only serves to bring Bland meaningless content. Everything you ever achieve becomes instantly useless. They need to have a diverse array of content that requires time and effort to complete. Not a bunch of 15 minute fights that you can throw bodies at until you win.

[Inkie]

fusional, your opinionated rant's are getting old.. Plenty of people played through both XI's and WoW's endgame, don't feel so special... not everyone shares your opinion. I KNOW XI was much more challenging than most everything in WoW.. and at the time I had a preference for that type of content. The fact I had so much free time on my hands, back then, was the reason I also picked up WoW. CAKEWALK through endgame in comparision, but tbh I felt that way about most of WoW. Both had a share of extraordinarly challinging content, although XI's carried this over into more content throughout the gameplay experience (ie outside of endgame content), which is simply undeniable. If you could keep your foot outta your mouth sometimes maybe you wouldn't come across as such a joke most of the time.. Meh, wishful thinking.. moving on..

[Andrien]

I dislike the XI view of "hardcore"

In most cases, one person always reap the benefit of a group effort in ffxi. I've seen LS leaders farm and hoard dynamis coins, getting their weapons first and their best friends second. Getting first drop on Ridill etc. These are considered to be a very long process to complete while one person get the reward on the hard work of others. I think FFXIV should evolve from that and stay far away from that last gen model.

[fusional]

I KNOW XI was much more challenging than most everything in WoW.. CAKEWALK through endgame in comparision...

don't know who you are, and i don't particularly care. but if WoW endgame was such a breeze, feel free to post your armory. surely it will be loaded with difficult time-relevant (ie: not going back to faceroll through level 80 content at level 85 for a mount you weren't good enough to earn when it was actually hard) raid achievements. surely.