Deus Darnus, Thaliak, Louisoux and Dalamud [Speculation Thread with Spoilers]

[MrKupo]

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You guys better learn to have facts and evidence before you go tossing out of this world theories!

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I kind of hope Bahamut isn't inside Dalamud for a few reasons.

1. This would make him a super bad ass, so bad ass that we wouldn't get to summon him if/when summoner comes out and since we couldn't summon him in XI I'm hoping we can here.

2. Maybe the attack "MegaFlare" that Darnus uses is a mistranslation?

3. Don't Primals live in another dimension of sort? A quote taken from ZAM: They require a vast amount of energy in order to trancend into our world. If that holds true how could Bahamut be inside Dalamud? If Bahamut was inside Dalamud wouldn't he need a constant supply of crystals to keep his physical body trapped inside or else his body would just poof back into where ever Primals live? Between the 10 years of the primal sightings how would Bahamut of had a supply of crystals?

TL;DR If Bahamut is inside Dalamud what Planeswalker is supplying his upkeep cost and how over the amount of time that satellite has been up there til now?

I wonder the details about this actually. Like if the Primals run out of energy, they get sent back to their own dimension? Or maybe they are put into suspended animation, and energy is need to put them back into action?
Idk, this helps lead me to believe that Louis (who has us believing that we need to kill the primals) is trying to get us to steal energy from the other primals to give to whatever is in Dalamud.

[Punainen]

now that I didn't know Bahamut being a giant fish I know Leviathan is but not bahamut... what mythos is it from? you've actually peaked my curiosity on that.

and my whole thing is normally with norse myth they tend to keep it straight or closer to what it is or based off of at least. I didn't say it was bad just find it odd that they're calling that the world serpent which is what midgarsormr (midgar meaning the world and sormr being a serpent) a dragon instead of a snake. i know in eastern myth the dragons take on a more serpentine look, but i believe even Seiryu had some type of wings.... ah well.

I think the only one in the myths they had represented 100% correctly was nidhogg... sorry... derailing the thread.

Shall we go into Shiva then? ROFL Shiva isn't even a woman! Shiva is a man in Hindu myth.

Not to mention Behemoth isn't a wolf/lion/whatever that is. Behemoth is some kind of grass-eating animal that also frequents rivers.

[SuzakuCMX]

I kind of hope Bahamut isn't inside Dalamud for a few reasons.
1. This would make him a super bad ass, so bad ass that we wouldn't get to summon him if/when summoner comes out and since we couldn't summon him in XI I'm hoping we can here.

We won't be able to summon Primals on the summoner class regardless. Primals are for Free Companies to summon. Summoners would probably get elementals and lesser summons like Carbuncle rather than Ifrit/Garuda/Bahamut/Leviathan.

2. Maybe the attack "MegaFlare" that Darnus uses is a mistranslation?

Doubtful that they would mistranslate the famous attack and not notice.

3. Don't Primals live in another dimension of sort? A quote taken from ZAM: They require a vast amount of energy in order to trancend into our world. If that holds true how could Bahamut be inside Dalamud? If Bahamut was inside Dalamud wouldn't he need a constant supply of crystals to keep his physical body trapped inside or else his body would just poof back into where ever Primals live? Between the 10 years of the primal sightings how would Bahamut of had a supply of crystals?

Perhaps Dalamud is the world they live in, then. Or maybe the lore will get changed. It's not like we can know where the Primals come from if we've never been there ourselves. And Garlemald has a lot of territory, who knows how many crystals they have in addition to the ones they took from the beast tribes? Maybe Bahamut is special since he's so powerful and can use his own power to hop between the planes, and he got trapped in a Dalamud egg here. Point is, we don't know and it's 100% possible for there to be loopholes in this so it's not all that relevant.

TL;DR If Bahamut is inside Dalamud what Planeswalker is supplying his upkeep cost and how over the amount of time that satellite has been up there til now?

We don't even know if there needs to be an upkeep after the initial plane switch.

[Resheph]

First I have to say that I love this thread and all of the speculation in it.

I don't think that Louisoix is Thallak or Rhalgr, I think he's a summoner, just based on the fact that his staff has a horn on top. I would lean closer to Thallak than Rhalgr, though, looking at the pictures TenraiNagi posted.

I think that he is going to end up sacrificing himself in some way to save us/Eorzea.

After you defeat Van Darnus, Cid says something along the lines of "we won't have to use the 'last resort' that Louisoix keeps muttering about." But, we know already that it will probably come to a last resort scenario, especially from what the trailer tells us.

In the trailer for ARR, it transitions straight from his face into a roaring Behemoth. So, maybe he will end up sacrificing his body and end up transforming into a behemoth as a result of all that aether bending/warping all that space and time and matter? Just a thought. It does seem to have a beard in the trailer. I think it would be cool. :P

Also, aren't we forgetting that in the lore, Dalamud is supposed to be Memphina's loyal hound? Maybe it houses Fenrir. From Wikipedia, "due to the gods' knowledge of prophecies foretelling great trouble from Fenrir and his rapid growth, the gods bound him, and as a result Fenrir bit off the right hand of the god Týr." He is also supposed to kill Odin. Though, I think it will be full of all sorts of bad things, like mandragoras.

[MrKupo]

First I have to say that I love this thread and all of the speculation in it.

I don't think that Louisoix is Thallak or Rhalgr, I think he's a summoner, just based on the fact that his staff has a horn on top. I would lean closer to Thallak than Rhalgr, though, looking at the pictures TenraiNagi posted.

I think that he is going to end up sacrificing himself in some way to save us/Eorzea.

After you defeat Van Darnus, Cid says something along the lines of "we won't have to use the 'last resort' that Louisoix keeps muttering about." But, we know already that it will probably come to a last resort scenario, especially from what the trailer tells us.

In the trailer for ARR, it transitions straight from his face into a roaring Behemoth. So, maybe he will end up sacrificing his body and end up transforming into a behemoth as a result of all that aether bending/warping all that space and time and matter? Just a thought. It does seem to have a beard in the trailer. I think it would be cool. :P

Also, aren't we forgetting that in the lore, Dalamud is supposed to be Memphina's loyal hound? Maybe it houses Fenrir. From Wikipedia, "due to the gods' knowledge of prophecies foretelling great trouble from Fenrir and his rapid growth, the gods bound him, and as a result Fenrir bit off the right hand of the god Týr." He is also supposed to kill Odin. Though, I think it will be full of all sorts of bad things, like mandragoras.

You make so much sense, and I love your speculation that Louis is a summoner. All he talks about is the primals after all. And the article I referred to earlier also mentions Memphina and her hound.

A great many believe that Menphina's hound is bathed in the blood of a vile fiend who had designs upon his mistress's life, even as others swear that the changes portend the Seventh Umbral Era.

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...ews/num05.html

[Resheph]

You make so much sense, and I love your speculation that Louis is a summoner. All he talks about is the primals after all. And the article I referred to earlier also mentions Memphina and her hound.



http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...ews/num05.html

Yes, that article was what made me think of it, too. I just didn't remember where I had read that. I think that a lot of parallels can be drawn between Fenrir as a giant, growing, wolf bound/banished because of a prophecy that he would herald the end of the world and the deaths of several gods and Dalamud as a moon that is literally growing in the sky and is connected to the 7th umbral era/end of the world. It's interesting to note that the Astral/Umbral eras are cycles of Life/Death and that Ragnarok ends with the world being born anew.

Edit: I wouldn't be surprised though, that if Fenrir, Odin, Bahamut, Nidhogg, and all of the other bad things sleeping in the earth are awakened/brought forth or down on our heads as a result of Dalamud in some way or another.

[Husband]

nice post OP, enjoyed it

[Resheph]

After my last post I actually thought to myself that Urianger is probably a summoner, too. After all, what has he done in every encounter we have had with him? In quests and the previous random appearances at aetheryte camps, he would summon monsters that we'd have to fight. Speaks pretty powerfully to me.

[Zdenka]

I haven't read the entire thread but incase they weren't mentioned...

Theres only 2 confirmed Archon's from the ingame text.

6th Umbral Era
Rhalgar - (Forgot his name, our old LS forums gone soooo, but the quest states his actual name) He was the champion of the Uldahn Colosseum, which may be why the Rhalgar stone is near the city.

7th Umbral Era
Urainger, In game text doesn't mention which of the 12 he is the reincarnation of IIRC. But with how chummy he is with Loiusx he might be Thalliak and had given Loiousx (sorry I can't spell his name at all) that engraved staff as a sign of mutual cooperation.



Also about that 13th Diety, its not the first time FF has added a "hidden" one. Tactics had a 13th Zodiac symbol, Serpentris which wasn't mentioned anywhere in the game until you got to that secret battle.

[Orophin]

Odin.

Odin will the the entity called forwarth from Dalamud.

If I recall my FF lore Odin has been the bringer of ragnarok, aka judgement day, aka, the end of the world. A little research into Odin mythology reveals Odin is often accompanied by 2 ravens and 2 wolves.

In FFXIV we have Neal Van Darnus "The White Raven" and Gaius van Baelsar "the black wolf"

Lets not forget about Gaius van Baelsar, maybe he's the one to finish what Van Darnus has started.

At any rate I believe Odin is the being jailed away in Dalamud, and is the reason for bringing the red moon down upon Eorzea.

I tend to agree with this, and that's some pretty interesting info concerning the raven and the wolf accompanying Odin. Odin is a much more solid choice of what's housed in Dalamud than Bahamut given his presence in the trailer and ARR. It's not to say that other nasty things aren't there, but this makes the most sense.

As for the speculation in the original post, there's some interesting stuff there. I do think Louisoix is more than he seems to be. Gaius van Baelsar (the wolf) probably won't have much of an impact until ARR since he was involved more in the main scenario than the Seven Umbral Era story. I also think the Echo won't have any effect on the outcome due to the previous reason. That and the Echo wasn't utilized in any content developed for the Seven Umbral Era that I can recall.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see. Hopefully 1.23a will have some more story tidbits. Things ended wait too...jovially in the final cutscene of To Kill a Raven.