Order of the Blue Garter: Open Recruitment Season

[Molly_Millions]

Thing is, they technically can ban you for using fraps or even a macro keyboard -- but will they? No. The ironic thing about "Parsers have zero effect on gameplay is" people tend to use parser and gearscore type things to exclude players, rather than using it to help them, so it doesn't give you an advantage, but it sure can hurt someone's playtime by excluding them if they don't "outparse" someone else.

do they? I've yet to see this. now, I have seen party leaders put up parse results in party chat after a fight. But it's more like "Look at how much more damage x player is doing than you, so step it up homie!" just blacklist jackasses who kick people for parse results, who wants to play with that type of asshat anyway?

[Twentytwo]

I think the point is: You use the same name as an old linkshell that has a bad reputation (and share a few members from that time) you're going to share their reputation. It doesn't matter if it's true or not, it's hard to avoid it.

It's like naming your linkshell "Dragon Quest" and then claim that none of you are fans of the series or even played it. It can be true. Maybe you just thought the name sounded cool. Maybe the old members were actually Dragon Quest fans but aren't on the shell anymore, and the new ones really had nothing to do with that.

Regardless, if I see someone on that linkshell, I'd assume they are Dragon Quest fans. It's a logical association.

Or maybe when the original leader including myself and Bert left 11 for WoW the FFXI LS shouldn't have kept our name. Wasn't aware the LS got such a bad rep from the members that didn't reform and tried to keep the name since it was made popular back then.

[Yucie]

so is voip, so is fraps, should those be banned as well and those that use them be persecuted? Hundreds if not thousands of people use a parser which has absolutely zero affect on game play

Difference of parser vs something like fraps.

Parser messes with and analyzes the game's log files, which is against the terms of service.
All fraps does is record whatever the hell is onscreen, and doesn't mess directly with game files.

One can get you banned. The other cannot.

[AsterBarnivere]

Or maybe when the original leader including myself and Bert left 11 for WoW the FFXI LS shouldn't have kept our name. Wasn't aware the LS got such a bad rep from the members that didn't reform and tried to keep the name since it was made popular back then.

Yea, use the leader as a scapegoat when you're just as guilty... that always works.

Difference of parser vs something like fraps.

Parser messes with and analyzes the game's log files, which is against the terms of service.
All fraps does is record whatever the hell is onscreen, and doesn't mess directly with game files.

One can get you banned. The other cannot.

One is approved by SE and many other mmos, the other isn't.

[Krausus]

Difference of parser vs something like fraps.

Parser messes with and analyzes the game's log files, which is against the terms of service.
All fraps does is record whatever the hell is onscreen, and doesn't mess directly with game files.

One can get you banned. The other cannot.

doesn't it only read the files not edit them.

[Krausus]

And more to the point seems like people are now grasping at straws and using the parser to keep crying hacks because they have nothing else to use as ammo. Quite petty if you ask me.

[Twentytwo]

Yea, use the leader as a scapegoat when you're just as guilty... that always works.

What? I'm saying the people who didn't move to WoW with the rest of the original leaders that did should have reformed and changed the LS name from something other than what we established. That way they wouldn't have given the LS name such a bad name.

I mean, it would make sense for them to have done that, no?

[AdvancedWind]

Or maybe when the original leader including myself and Bert left 11 for WoW the FFXI LS shouldn't have kept our name. Wasn't aware the LS got such a bad rep from the members that didn't reform and tried to keep the name since it was made popular back then.

It's unfortunate that it happened, but at this point you can't really change the past.

I'm not saying you guys should change your name now or whatever, just trying to explain why people would associate you guys with them and why changing that rep isn't as simple as posting "no we don't".

That said, I wouldn't worry too much about what others think about this at all.

[AsterBarnivere]

And more to the point seems like people are now grasping at straws and using the parser to keep crying hacks because they have nothing else to use as ammo. Quite petty if you ask me.

oh lord, another person that doesn't seem to read the TOS and tries to justify the usage of third party tools, even if SE doesn't allow it...

Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players. The use of programs or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Additionally, during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.

The following activities are also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV.
•Modifying, analyzing, integrating and reverse engineering game data
•Utility creation and distribution
•Exploiting SQUARE ENIX programming that does not run as intended to gain profit or damage other players

[Zdenka]

http://www.ffxivpro.com/achievements/linkshells

NOUKIN are #1, Order of the Blue Garter are placed at #40.

Using FFXIVpro for rankings is downright laughable. Score is all members added up, LS with 150 members has advantage over LS with 10 members. Also it doesn't update scores. My score is still 41k on pro when it should be closer to 92k.


Also Parser reads files on your computer, sig generators read information off websites.

When referring to "game data" in the ToS its not talking about files in gives you, its talking about the actual programming of the game file's, the packets it sends etc. The output log files do not fall under "game data" and if they didn't want players to have access to them, they wouldn't have the game output them in the first place.