Order of the Blue Garter: Open Recruitment Season

[AsterBarnivere]

The parser is not a hack btw, it reads the battle log and does some math, simple stuff.

Doesn't change the fact that:

A: It's a third party tool
and
B: It's against SE's TOS which you guys continually break

[Molly_Millions]

Doesn't change the fact that:

A: It's a third party tool
and
B: It's against SE's TOS which you guys continually break

A is true, but I'm not so sure that B is. It seems like a grey area. The TOS states that 3rd party apps that give players an advantage are not allowed, a parser doesn't really give you an advantage, it merely shows that you could be doing better, or how you stand against other players in your party.

[Twentytwo]

Doesn't change the fact that:

A: It's a third party tool
and
B: It's against SE's TOS which you guys continually break

So is you signature, reading game data outside the game. omgomgomg

[AsterBarnivere]

So is you signature, reading game data outside the game. omgomgomg

"Your" not "you", and yes, it's OUTSIDE of the game, and isn't giving me the upper hand in anyway.
2nd, the people who made the program got approval, which I'm sure programs like parser and FFXIVmodelviewer etc. didn't (let alone SE's huge cease and desist orders flying around 2 years back against those programs, yet the programmers who got slapped with them put them right back up.)

[Krausus]

Doesn't change the fact that:

A: It's a third party tool
and
B: It's against SE's TOS which you guys continually break

so is voip, so is fraps, should those be banned as well and those that use them be persecuted? Hundreds if not thousands of people use a parser which has absolutely zero affect on game play

[Jennestia]

so is voip, so is fraps, should those be banned as well and those that use them be persecuted? Hundreds if not thousands of people use a parser which has absolutely zero affect on game play

Thing is, they technically can ban you for using fraps or even a macro keyboard -- but will they? No. The ironic thing about "Parsers have zero effect on gameplay is" people tend to use parser and gearscore type things to exclude players, rather than using it to help them, so it doesn't give you an advantage, but it sure can hurt someone's playtime by excluding them if they don't "outparse" someone else.

[Krausus]

Thing is, they technically can ban you for using fraps or even a macro keyboard -- but will they? No. The ironic thing about "Parsers have zero effect on gameplay is" people tend to use parser and gearscore type things to exclude players, rather than using it to help them, so it doesn't give you an advantage, but it sure can hurt someone's playtime by excluding them if they don't "outparse" someone else.

that's a whole different subject about the community probably best discussed elsewhere.

[Molly_Millions]

Thing is, they technically can ban you for using fraps or even a macro keyboard -- but will they? No. The ironic thing about "Parsers have zero effect on gameplay is" people tend to use parser and gearscore type things to exclude players, rather than using it to help them, so it doesn't give you an advantage, but it sure can hurt someone's playtime by excluding them if they don't "outparse" someone else.

do they? I've yet to see this. now, I have seen party leaders put up parse results in party chat after a fight. But it's more like "Look at how much more damage x player is doing than you, so step it up homie!" just blacklist jackasses who kick people for parse results, who wants to play with that type of asshat anyway?

[Yucie]

so is voip, so is fraps, should those be banned as well and those that use them be persecuted? Hundreds if not thousands of people use a parser which has absolutely zero affect on game play

Difference of parser vs something like fraps.

Parser messes with and analyzes the game's log files, which is against the terms of service.
All fraps does is record whatever the hell is onscreen, and doesn't mess directly with game files.

One can get you banned. The other cannot.

[Krausus]

Difference of parser vs something like fraps.

Parser messes with and analyzes the game's log files, which is against the terms of service.
All fraps does is record whatever the hell is onscreen, and doesn't mess directly with game files.

One can get you banned. The other cannot.

doesn't it only read the files not edit them.