Will DRG and PLD still be next to useless in 2.0?

[Dawiichan]

This is incorrect, as it is stated that DEX gives an increase to Shield Block chance, and even then, the increase is so insignificant, it's not worth wasting the slot increasing DEX when you can fill it with something better.

Going from tests that I saw, 1dex=.1% chance of block. 1 block rate = .2% chance of block. I wouldn't say dex is that bad. However Block is way better than block rate.

[fusional]

For Princess I like to use BLMs here's a video that can kind of show you why I like this start:
FFXIV : A Relic Reborn - Cutter's Cry (16:10)
Princess Setup
2x War, 1x WHM, 1x BRD. 4x BLM

I haven't done Ifrit Extreme but MNK seems to really rip it up, no DRGs used here:
Ifrit Extreme Defeated

we use drgs on princess and kill both princess and marshall in under 90 seconds. we also use drgs on ifrit extreme as you only lose a bit of single target dps on ifrit, don't have to manage MP, and gain an ENORMOUS amount of extra aoe dps for nails. (the LS you linked also uses primarily drgs now instead of monks)

and as people have already covered, paladin is a complete tank now and is preferable in most situations.

[Duelle]

This is incorrect, as it is stated that DEX gives an increase to Shield Block chance, and even then, the increase is so insignificant, it's not worth wasting the slot increasing DEX when you can fill it with something better.

I mentioned that as a suggestion. Change things so that only PLD gets bonuses to shield block chance from STR. I'm well aware that it is not how things currently work. Hence it being a suggestion.

PS: Edited my post for clarity.

[Alerith]

Going from tests that I saw, 1dex=.1% chance of block. 1 block rate = .2% chance of block. I wouldn't say dex is that bad. However Block is way better than block rate.

That would mean 10 DEX = 1 Block Rate. Which would mean it takes 50 DEX to increase your block rate by 1%. Is it really worth sacrificing those materia slots for such a low increase to a stat that you can already force to a high amount through abilities?

[Dawiichan]

That would mean 10 DEX = 1 Block Rate. Which would mean it takes 50 DEX to increase your block rate by 1%. Is it really worth sacrificing those materia slots for such a low increase to a stat that you can already force to a high amount through abilities?

Misunderstood it. 1 dex is .1% chance of blocking itself. The block rate stat is 1 = .2%. So 10 dex = 5 block rate.

[Skies]

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Grrr.
Accvursed internet. Now it should be working

[Aceofspades]

PLD is currently complete and utter trash when compared to WAR for the following reason.

- Cannot block WS but you can parry them. WAR wins.
- Cannot mitigate incoming damage from enemy weapon skills, but WAR can with Feather Foot and Foresight.
- Blocking does not reduce anywhere near as much damage as parrying. WAR wins.
- WAR does more damage than PLD. More damage/more hate. WAR wins.
- WAR has AoE damage. PLD does not (good bye Circle Slash). WAR wins.
- Not many moves that reduce/virtually nullify attacks. Aegis Boon vs. Feather Foot/Foresight. WAR wins.
- On a straight hit... An equally well equipped WAR takes less damage than a PLD. WAR wins.
- PLD HP is still far lower than WAR. A PLD needs to gear hard on HP while a WAR can just focus on damage and Enmity. WAR wins.
- PLD has AoE flash to get hate on multiple targets. Makes kiting Moogles easier. WAR needs to rely on having TP and Collusion -> Flare. PLD wins.
- PLD can cure itself. WAR can also cure itself except it doesn't need MP (Rampage/Second Wind/Bloodbath). WAR wins.

The only encounter in the game where PLD is better is Moogle Mog. And even that's arguable. PLD is in need of some serious buffs going into 2.0. The main problem with PLD is that it excels at virtually nothing. For almost every situation; WAR is better and deals more damage.

DRG... Is currently 2nd on single target DPS behind PUG. I personally think they're fine. But if I had to nitpick... they have low durability due to their low HP and only cure being Second Wind. Life Surge doesn't count because there's very little to no reason to use it over Power Surge.

well if no one else is gona do it......

-before you even start compairing block and parry, compaired to block, parry is a completly random and rare event even with pary increasing stats and abilities. PLD wins with a 60-70% garenteed block rate.

-fyi we can block weapon skills and if we do it with ageious boon, we get realy nice hp for it too ..... PLD wins

-War dose do more damage then PLD but dose not pull more hate for all the damage they do, in fact enmity + gear works better for pld and we get enmity boosts for mind as well, along with the strongest enmity builders in the game. PLD wins

- funny story about aoe hate controll, only off tanks and PL tanks need aoe hate controll, would make sense to give that to a lesser tank that can clean up trash mobs well, oh wait, BLMs do that too... Instead us poor PLDs get the honor of ACUTALLY tanking mobs like bosses and such having a much easier time with it too. PLD WINS

-this next one just proves your an idiot and or troll. Stone skin, ageious boon, divine veil, rampart, sentinel and the only move in the game that negates magic and physical damage , hollowed ground. combine that with the normal deffensive boosts pld gets over war and once again ..... PLD WINS

- next point your wrong for two reasons, 1 an equally equiped war will do shit for damage , 2 an equally equiped war will ALWAYS take more damage, sheild adds deffensive stats and traits, and PLD gets vit boost where war dose not.. PLD WINS

- IN same exact gear, PLD has roughly 500 less hp then WAR, but mitigates roughly 10% more damage then war, lets do the math if avg hp for pld is 3400 a PLD would have to take less then 2 full hits to make up for the HP advantage war has... not many fights in wich I only get hit twice.... PLD WINS

-you prove yourself wrong in this next point, WAR has stronger aoe hate controll, as posted per you, hense aoe hate controll gose to WAR especially on a fight where your kiteing , NOT tanking, this one gose to WAR, WAR WINS

- TRUE STORY , PLD also gets blood bath and we more then make up for second wind with ageious boon lets not forget being able to regen mp and hp with blocks.... after all when taking less damage then a war you dont often need self heals, PLD WINS

And lastly your last statment about pld sums up your entire knowledge of tanking on the game wich is nothing. PLD EXCELS AT TANKING , put up your sword and axe and help the game a bit.

[TimonLoon]

Grrr.
Accvursed internet. Now it should be working

I stand corrected. :O

To the post above.. You must not have gone through the thread.. I'm not gonna bother to reply. Also, next time you want to prove someone wrong on the internet, try not to sound like a raging nerd. lol

[Galliano]

Well Speed runs are used to get Darklight gear and also used for getting relic if you didn't know.

Hyrist was referring to the fact that there will be no more speed runs in 2.0.

[Doho]

Grand list of PLD Pwnage

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