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    Quote Originally Posted by Lstkaws View Post
    To put in perspective, consider the losses that would be caused by a FFXIV 2.0 complete failure. The costs of development and hardware alone would be significant. That being said SE could still rebound from such an incident. If you believe in it...than get some skin in the game.
    I suppose my thoughts are EXACTLY this. Though there is no proof that SE could rebound from a 2.0 failure, let us say that they can. Of course this is a fallacy in my argument that i am taking it for given ... perhaps there are numbers to back it up, but i don't have them. Anyway, if we say that SE can rebound from a 2.0 failure, then even in that situation the relative low point of the current value would likely be exceeded in a 5 year span. Then, in a situation where the stock values will eventually exceed where they are now, even if they manage to drop beyond their current value, the end result is still a gain.

    The difference of course being the size of the gain from the buying point. This is by no means a winning lottery ticket, but it is still a gain over enough time. ... that is unless the company folds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NefarioCall View Post
    I suppose my thoughts are EXACTLY this. Though there is no proof that SE could rebound from a 2.0 failure, let us say that they can. Of course this is a fallacy in my argument that i am taking it for given ... perhaps there are numbers to back it up, but i don't have them. Anyway, if we say that SE can rebound from a 2.0 failure, then even in that situation the relative low point of the current value would likely be exceeded in a 5 year span. Then, in a situation where the stock values will eventually exceed where they are now, even if they manage to drop beyond their current value, the end result is still a gain.

    The difference of course being the size of the gain from the buying point. This is by no means a winning lottery ticket, but it is still a gain over enough time. ... that is unless the company folds.
    they wont recover from another loss by choice not by lack of resources. Square now has 3 MMO's to milk if one of them fails no biggy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NefarioCall View Post
    I suppose my thoughts are EXACTLY this. Though there is no proof that SE could rebound from a 2.0 failure, let us say that they can. Of course this is a fallacy in my argument that i am taking it for given ... perhaps there are numbers to back it up, but i don't have them. Anyway, if we say that SE can rebound from a 2.0 failure, then even in that situation the relative low point of the current value would likely be exceeded in a 5 year span. Then, in a situation where the stock values will eventually exceed where they are now, even if they manage to drop beyond their current value, the end result is still a gain.

    The difference of course being the size of the gain from the buying point. This is by no means a winning lottery ticket, but it is still a gain over enough time. ... that is unless the company folds.
    I wouldn't call it a terrible investment, but to be honest if I was going to invest in SE I would be hoping for a 2.0 failure. This would further depress the stock (at this point I would buy) then I would hope for a huge turnout on versus and the following FF title. I may be a bit skittish because I seriously considered investing prior to FFXIV's release. I would have taken a considerable hit. Not entirely because of XIV, but just SE overall took a hit.
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    You guys seem to forget that SE is more than just FF... Granted it is their biggest IP next to DQ. Their lineup for this fiscal year is fairly solid.

    Will it sell an adequate amount of volume is to be determined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomarl View Post
    Why would you invest in a dying company?
    Because you know what, that's almost the entire industry itself. With the biggest publisher EA making the bigger drop than most publisher percentage wise and THQ on the brink of bankruptcy, I hardly find SE is the only "dying" company. Let's not also forget the 38 Studios drama llama.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TimonLoon View Post
    You guys seem to forget that SE is more than just FF... Granted it is their biggest IP next to DQ. Their lineup for this fiscal year is fairly solid.

    Will it sell an adequate amount of volume is to be determined.
    You are right, that is why I would not fault anyone for investing in SE, but at the moment I am just not sure whether or not it is an investment I would choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomarl View Post
    Why would you invest in a dying company?
    i love how people come here and say shit like this but then again they wasting there money on a dying company like the other person said please leave.
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    Just for your information, SquareEnix do not rely solely on the Final Fantasy franchise, maybe you forgot about the recent smart acquisition of Eidos which brought on board a host of great talent and franchises like Deus-EX (Human Revolution sold close to 3 million copies under the SE banner), Thief, Legacy of Kain, and the soon to be released and hugely popular Hitman, Tomb Raider, Sleeping Dogs, etc. All potential big sellers and good money makers for the company.

    And please, stop with the old "PS3 has no games" jab, this is not 2007, nobody uses it anymore and for good reason. The Vita on the other hand could do with some games, but it'll eventually get better too. Also, how is Nintendo's profit on each console sold benefiting you as a customer when they sell hardware which is a generation behind the competition at triple the price it should be marked at. Typical fanboy blabber.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nume View Post
    Legacy of Kain.
    The mere mention of this franchise is worth hecking the bed over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neomarl View Post
    It's fun to be in denial land, isn't it?
    SE killed FFversus.
    They keep milking the FFXIII series instead of making a new one.
    SE canceled FFXIII-3.
    FFXIV got 4.0 out of 10.
    They are bleeding money. I wouldn't be surprised if they got bought by another big gaming company, like Nintendo.
    That would actually save Square Enix.
    SE is bleeding money? Last I checked the books are in the Black. Go check out investor relations. They are one of the few gaming companys making money atm.
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