Will DRG and PLD still be next to useless in 2.0?

[Chardrizard]

For someone that is bitching about how other jobs are useless compared to others you sure are doing your damndest to defend the jobs that are more used no matter what evidence is presented to you showing these "niche jobs" are not niche at all and are incredibly viable if not superior in many situations.

Admitting mistake isn't the easiest thing to do yo.

[Madrox]

^ This lol.

While I agree with a large portion of what you said I have to dissagree with this. I've always found WAR to be superior during moogles, even more so since they droped the TP cost on WW.
The only fights I can think of off hand that matter where PLD seems to be prefered are Ifrit Extreme and 17 min speed run Chimera.

Yeah but it took the people in your DRG video 3 min it takes the people in my BLM video only 2.

Why bother killing the clones imo, just burn the boss.

I've done them hunderades of times too, based on our XIVpads profiles we seem pretty on par with eachother. So it's not like I'm not equally informed.

You have various classes at 50, one would think you would have experienced many situations in a party to understand what I'm talking about. If you can kill something easier and more efficiently then why not take that route.

Easy mode is lazy and not necessarily the easier or best way. If it meant that it was then my post would make absolutely no sense. Lol! Use your brain and think Mijin lol

[Mijin]

For someone that is bitching about how other jobs are useless compared to others you sure are doing your damndest to defend the jobs that are more used no matter what evidence is presented to you showing these "niche jobs" are not niche at all and are incredibly viable if not superior in many situations.

I'm just showing my evidence to support why I think your arguments are moot. I can only guess that the people getting angry are doing so because they either love to troll or love DRG and/or PLD with a passion.

[Dawiichan]

That's what we were talking about. He was saying you needed a DRG to kill the clones fast enough I was saying you don't and that they can be later ignored altogether with blms in the party because garuda will be low enough before they respawn.

Garuda was low enough because they got an easy cycle of skills, not because BLM can do it faster. Getting south winds as the second skill is very lucky and you can DPS her so much in that phase. That's why by the time Garuda summoned the sisters for the 2nd time they were able to burn her down. This has nothing to do with having BLMs, just that they got south winds that lets you DD much more than the other two.

[Req]

I would also like to point out that I never said a Dragoon is needed, I said that it is just a more viable addition to the party over having another warrior because it has much much higher single target DPS for attacking Garuda, and the magic resistant clone without sacrificing AoEs.

[TimonLoon]

Where did you even get this information? By the way, It's definitely safe to say that for DRG's lack of single target damage compared to MNK, they definitely make up for it in their AoE damage.

Block since it's inception in this game has never procced on a Weapon Skill. I would love to be proven wrong but I've never seen it happen.

Also this information is based on the fact that block rates get significantly lower the higher the monster's level is. It was made a little better a few patches ago but it's still fairly low (using Vintage Kite Shield+1).

I'm not saying that PLD's can't keep hate as well as WARs. I'm saying that since WARs can deal more damage they contribute more to the overall goal while doing their job. Which in the end gives them the edge.

Divine Veil doesn't help much when most mobs are spamming Weapon Skills. This goes back to the first point.

Whether or not PLD doesn't have to gear up HP is debatable. What isn't is the fact that PLD's HP is too low.

PLDs can indeed us Bloodbath but unfortunately they rarely do enough damage with their WS to get a good drain off. There are too few mobs where PLD gets good damage in (Spirits Within not included). Aside from Riot Blade and Spirits Within their WS are pretty weak. I'm sure you can drain on Riot Blade but can you drain on Spirits Within <- Honest question, I haven't tried it.

Now don't get me wrong. As I said before, I love PLD and want so bad to go back to using it over WAR but there aren't many situations where that's better. I'm hoping 2.0 changes that.

[Mijin]

Garuda was low enough because they got an easy cycle of skills, not because BLM can do it faster. Getting south winds as the second skill is very lucky and you can DPS her so much in that phase. That's why by the time Garuda summoned the sisters for the 2nd time they were able to burn her down. This has nothing to do with having BLMs, just that they got south winds that lets you DD much more than the other two.

Yeah I guess that could be the case. I'd like to actually do first hand testing parsing DRG vs my BLM.

I would also like to point out that I never said a Dragoon is needed, I said that it is just a more viable addition to the party over having another warrior because it has much much higher single target DPS for attacking Garuda, and the magic resistant clone without sacrificing AoEs.

I would like to see some parsing done for this too. I've seen war's who are fully geared for it do some amazing dps...

[Starlord]

Pfft, I can clean the house with my DRG anyday.. when it comes down to it.. it comes down to skill on the job, PLD can outbeat WAR anyday if the skill is there. :P

When it boils down to it.. Have fun with your Favorite class change if you "really" need to. You can play as any job you desire theres probably going to be over 100k people on Launch day of ARR.

[Sasagawa]

Not even gonna justify this with an argument

PLD is a great tank

You sir need to find yourself a good PLD tank !

[Req]

Yeah I guess that could be the case. I'd like to actually do first hand testing parsing DRG vs my BLM.


I would like to see some parsing done for this too. I've seen war's who are fully geared for it do some amazing dps...

Go level your Dragoon and you can test it for yourself. You can basically spam weaponskills that do double the damage of anything warrior has to offer because dragoon is a tp power house.