Will DRG and PLD still be next to useless in 2.0?

[Chardrizard]

Flawless Garuda with DRG, PLD, and MNK

Ifrit extreme with PLD and DRG (this one isnt my video, so credit to the owner)

At this point, i feel everything is nicely balanced, one shines at certain place, but none shines so bright that they will take the entire spotlight.

[Krausus]

As it currently stands there are only a few niche boss encounters where PLD's are better utilized than WAR, and almost no conceivable situation that DRG is preferred over anything.

not sure whom you have been talking to but they are beyond idiots.

probably this guy.

PLD is currently complete and utter trash when compared to WAR for the following reason.

- Cannot block WS but you can parry them. WAR wins.
- Cannot mitigate incoming damage from enemy weapon skills, but WAR can with Feather Foot and Foresight.
- Blocking does not reduce anywhere near as much damage as parrying. WAR wins.
- WAR does more damage than PLD. More damage/more hate. WAR wins.
- WAR has AoE damage. PLD does not (good bye Circle Slash). WAR wins.
- Not many moves that reduce/virtually nullify attacks. Aegis Boon vs. Feather Foot/Foresight. WAR wins.
- On a straight hit... An equally well equipped WAR takes less damage than a PLD. WAR wins.
- PLD HP is still far lower than WAR. A PLD needs to gear hard on HP while a WAR can just focus on damage and Enmity. WAR wins.
- PLD has AoE flash to get hate on multiple targets. Makes kiting Moogles easier. WAR needs to rely on having TP and Collusion -> Flare. PLD wins.
- PLD can cure itself. WAR can also cure itself except it doesn't need MP (Rampage/Second Wind/Bloodbath). WAR wins.

The only encounter in the game where PLD is better is Moogle Mog. And even that's arguable. PLD is in need of some serious buffs going into 2.0. The main problem with PLD is that it excels at virtually nothing. For almost every situation; WAR is better and deals more damage.

DRG... Is currently 2nd on single target DPS behind PUG. I personally think they're fine. But if I had to nitpick... they have low durability due to their low HP and only cure being Second Wind. Life Surge doesn't count because there's very little to no reason to use it over Power Surge.

[TimonLoon]

not sure whom you have been talking to but they are beyond idiots.

probably this guy.

Yes personal attacks but you can't refute a single point there can you?

[Krausus]

Yes personal attacks but you can't refute a single point there can you?

as I play WHM more than any other class Ill take a PLD over WAR any day in a straight tanking situation. Aside from the life surge comment I do mostly agree with you about DRG but life surge very much does have its uses.

Edit: I do though think PLD does need more health but that is it.

[Tigercub]

Dragoons and monks are great for DD.. You must be of them dummies who always use blm easy mode.

Yep, doing things the easy way is for stupid people.
I cut trees down with a fish because using a chainsaw is stupid.

[Velhart]

Yes personal attacks but you can't refute a single point there can you?

PLD's are not only heavier hitters on Chimera, it is much easier on not only the tank to be PLD, but WHM's also.

Both WAR's and PLD's have their uses given the situation, but if you truly believe PLD is useless, it is only ignorance on your end. PLD is successfully used in Garuda, Ifrit, Chimera, Hamlet, Skirmish, and so on.

Also. MNK is on par with DRG except for some elemental weakness bosses like Mizer. DRG's do much better in other situations like Princess.

[DeadRiser]

This again?

I've used DRG in almost every instance that I've used MNK.

[TimonLoon]

And as someone that loves PLD and has both jobs leveled there is almost no encounter where I prefer to go PLD because WAR just makes things infinitely easier.

Skirmish better with WAR.
Garuda better with WAR.
Ifrit (about the same)
Moogle better with PLD.
CC/AV better with WAR.
Darkhold er doesn't matter at this gear level.

Don't get confused between my saying that things are easier with WAR over PLD as opposed to what some other people are saying that PLD can't do anything. All encounters are doable with PLD but as I've stated over and over... WAR beats it under many situations. Far too many if you ask me.

[Chardrizard]

And as someone that loves PLD and has both jobs leveled there is almost no encounter where I prefer to go PLD because WAR just makes things infinitely easier.

Skirmish better with WAR.
Garuda better with WAR.
Ifrit (about the same)
Moogle better with PLD.
CC/AV better with WAR.
Darkhold er doesn't matter at this gear level.

Don't get confused between my saying that things are easier with WAR over PLD as opposed to what some other people are saying that PLD can't do anything. All encounters are doable with PLD but as I've stated over and over... WAR beats it under many situations. Far too many if you ask me.

But you have never beaten CC/AV or Garuda..

[Dawiichan]

Ifrit Extreme Strat:

Either PLDx1, DRGx2, MNK x1, BRDx1, WHMx1, WARx2 or DRGx1, MNKx2.

Garuda Strat (under 10 min, 0 deaths)

PLDx1, DRGx2, MNKx2, BRDx1, WHMx1, WARx1.

Miser Strat

WARx1, MNKx6, DRGx1

Hell, even Nael (easy mode) is

PLDx1, WARx1, DRGx1, MNKx1, BLMx2, BRDx1, WHMx1

The DRG, MNK, BRD, and PLD relic faction leve use PLD tank as well (would count in WHM, but that one is just a joke).

Lets not forget that PLD is also superior at tanking in hamlet since the WHMs never have to worry about you the whole fight while you're on the NM.

Chimera can be tanked on either War or Pld. Same for Coin Counter and even miser. It's really all about preferences. I think you are undrestimating DRG and PLD too much. There's no possible way a warrior can tank ifrit extreme right now. Then Garuda is 100 times easier with paladin since a whm doesn't really have to worry about the pld much since it mitigates so much dmg against her. Then again, if your PLDs and DRGs suck, that could be the problem as well.