Legacy players protest to getting into 2.0 Beta!

[Atoli]

the timeline some people think of is ridiculous. you're not goign to be able to provide the kind of feedback you want. this is a beta test.

Other games are able to do it.
And you make it sound as if we are 4 weeks away from release while it's more than half a year.
We have beta tests from September to January, that's 5 months - just to test server stability? No. I'm sure they don't want to repeat 1.0's faults of having a fixed release date with beta only weeks before it when nothing can be changed anymore. They planned in a lot of beta time so they can change and fix more than just "server stability".

[RoyalSibby]

Didn't SE originally say that in the 2.0 Beta, They where gonna Push all the Paying Members in first, Then Let randoms run in? o.o

[TheVedis]

Didn't SE originally say that in the 2.0 Beta, They where gonna Push all the Paying Members in first, Then Let randoms run in? o.o

no they did not

[Krausus]

I think we all earned the right to be in this beta, We payed through its thick and thins, We should be allowed ( or at least make Legacy players get in first if the first beta is only 2,000 slots.. then the Legacy players should fill up those 2k slots, Not Random people. I been looking forward to this Beta since I heard about 2.0,k If I don;t get in that's fine.. but if some random person just happens to get into beta.. I'm going to Choke a Snurble! Yes that means you Camate!! ( Just kidding! :P).

1. people that where in 1.0 beta/alpha that have not gone longer then 1 week without logging in
2. people that have been playing since release that have not gone longer then 1 week without logging in
3. people that have been playing since release that have not gone longer then 1 month without logging in
4. legacy status

IMO that is how it should go.

[Krausus]

no they did not

what they said was that they where going to try and get existing members in first before letting other in

[Onisake]

Other games are able to do it.
And you make it sound as if we are 4 weeks away from release while it's more than half a year.
We have beta tests from September to January, that's 5 months - just to test server stability? No. I'm sure they don't want to repeat 1.0's faults of having a fixed release date with beta only weeks before it when nothing can be changed anymore. They planned in a lot of beta time so they can change and fix more than just "server stability".

if we are 4 weeks from beta, that's not enough time to make overhauls. You're thinking in terms of western companies. Japanese companies move at a snails pace. ESPECIALLY software teams. But i'm assuming SE follows a more traditional Japanese methodology of releasing/developing products. I could be off base.

Like i said. Beta would need to start today in order for changes to really be made and tested by the players.

it would take minimum 1 week for people to really get a feel for the new game/engine. combine this with downtimes, bug finding, etc. it gets bumped up to 2-3 weeks. for NA side (due to language barrier), the devs would likely wait 2-4 weeks for talks to open up, and discussions to be made. and they would compile a list of the top things players are talking about. so we're looking at two months before the devs even get a list of things we want. (please not this is different from things that are 'broken' and require emergency fixes ASAP)

it would take at least two months to develop the changes, test them, and then put them into the 'live' server. so there will be no real changes in beta. feed back will be taken, and a select few things will be implemented into actual launch. and most of this feedback will likely be from the JP players because feedback will be given back to devs in 'real time.' the feedback that will be taken the most seriously will be things that JP, NA, and EU players are all talking about. so between bug finding, emergency fixes, and hardware the devs aren't going to have a whole ton of time to look at content, which is what almost everyone here is wanting to take a look at.

most of the beta's you see from NA developers, the game is near complete. with some exceptions. the F&F beta for D3 began almost a year before launch. Having played in the F&F beta the game was terrible. it was far more polished when it was released, but there were still a few things that needed work.

So yes. some companies are able to do this, but that's because they are at a different stage. and most likely a lot of the changes being asked for are already in the works.


For FF the most important things are

1) New UI (must be used to play the game, so this will be tested automatically by playing the game)

2) New Engine (same as UI)

3) Hardware compatibility (New engine, new specs. aiming for lower tier machines, will be taken care of when selecting beta applicants)

4) Server stress testing (big complain is latency, so this will be looked at)

5) Presentation of content (so players aren't as lost when first entering the game)

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In 5-6 months that's about all you'll be able to look at. That's all they NEED to look at. SE is good at content. but the content will not be enjoyable if the UI is crap (like it was at 1.0 launch)

Everyone on the forums talks about content. the beta will not be about that. it will be about bugs, streamlining the engine/UI, and hardware testing. That being said Legacy members should not be given priority over anyone else IMO.

[Atoli]

When I was talking about changes I actually meant the UI and not the content
I wouldn't expect them to completely overhaul content in such a short amount of time, only balancing issues at most if they are too severe.

[RoyalSibby]

no they did not

yes they did.

"GE: Do you have any ideas yet on how will people get into beta?

Yoshida: We decided not to tie it directly to the legacy campaign, but we want to prioritize getting the current players that are playing now into beta."

Source: http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/2012/06...cks-and-rocks/

[Kiote]

I think we all earned the right to be in this beta, We payed through its thick and thins, We should be allowed ( or at least make Legacy players get in first if the first beta is only 2,000 slots.. then the Legacy players should fill up those 2k slots, Not Random people. I been looking forward to this Beta since I heard about 2.0,k If I don;t get in that's fine.. but if some random person just happens to get into beta.. I'm going to Choke a Snurble! Yes that means you Camate!! ( Just kidding! :P).

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard..

How the hell are they supposed to tell if people who do not already like this game like the new game if they only allow players who currently play in to the beta?

There are also over ten thousand legacy members.. It wouldn't be any more fair to just give two thousand of them a beta key.

[XxOstiaxX]

Indeed SE needs to allow their "Yes Man's!" to beta test their game, i mean they sure know so much about what quality gaming is in 1998.