Future Endgame gear vs crafted gear with Materia.

[Noir]

Hey everyone

This actually greatly concerns me because of the current trend of FFXIV as someone that wants to see this game succeed and grow in population to the point that Yoshi-p hopes.

Currently gear fully slotted with materia (or slotted with at least 3)is unrivaled in many occasions. That's fine since the game is unfinished and doesn't really have anything worth mentioning as far as endgame goes, however as the game evolves I do see quite the issue since Yoshi-P plans to add a lot of content as well as pvp.

The major thing that needs to be considered, the vast majority of MMO players do not care about crafting nor do they want to feel forced to do it with the current materia and repair system I kind of feel like I have to or I'll end up spending literally millions on one item that isn't even worth the price.

The major problem here is that when people do endgame raids, when people pvp they want to see rewards directly from those. They want to see gear upgrades that are better then anything they can buy, including crafted items.

The reason this is an issue is a lesson that should have been learned from FFXI seems to have gone ignored and they seem to be overcompensating for the uselessness of most crafting in FFXI by making it almost required or at least feel required.

That lesson is, very few people if any will do an event or kill enemies just to do it if there is no real reward from it.

If materia is made more powerful or endgame/PVP rewards aren't as good as as gear slotted with 4-5 materia, I hate to say it but the majority of the worlds MMO community will just not bother which means content won't be done which means less subscribers.

CoP proves this in the fact that very few people have seen a benefit from Al'tieu in FFXI so it was the least done portion of endgame in FFXI next to HNMs with no real drops. Abyssea further proves it since almost no one went back to older content because it was "useless" Keep in mind most people that play in abyssea couldn't cut it in the older content for the most part.

SE could easily keep crafting very useful by either making new gear for newer content that crafters can make, or by making older ones(at the level cap) dated and allowing every craft to make the same item with upgraded stats. So for example The cobalt tanking set would have higher defense, hp, vit and so on then the one from the patch before.

This is a simple solution and does help keep crafting involved, materia also wouldn't suffer since people would buy these items if they couldn't get the gear from the previous set of content.

Lets all keep in mind they are clearly NOT following the FFXI model since its basically proven to not work in terms of major MMOs go, other MMO developers don't even see SE as a competitor in the MMO industry.

I do want to see FFXIV succeed but they won't if all they do is cater to crafters. The majority of the worlds MMO players want battle-related content, not to sit in the city and hit an anvil or play with a saw.. and in order to do that gear from endgame content and PVP needs to be the best for what its made for, nothing wrong with crafted gear coming close, but it shouldn't be better, even with full materia slots.

Some noob talking nonsense...

When you said "people walking with 4/5 melds".

Do you know how many people have double meld? Triple meld? 0.1% 4 melds? I saw one and one gear piece. 5? Never saw.

Wrf are you talking about?

Plus, most triple melded gear I saw are the same value as double melded high value. Very few have a triple meld high value. Don't be jealous ok? It's an ugly thing. I don't know anyone who would change a darklight set for some melded gear.

[Amsai]

I don't know anyone who would change a darklight set for some melded gear.

Me........

I always tank in heavy melded HP gear, with a some enmity and acc thrown in. I have 2 basic sets:
Set 1 is mostly HPs and with food gets me to 5.5k+ HPs
Set 2 is mostly HPs (4700ish w/ food) and about +60 eva and +60 parry

Heavy Dark light is trash for straight tanking say Coincounter and Ive passed on it quite a few times. Maybe if they made it wit a bit more survivabilty built in it would be OK, but all that enmity is overkill and not really needed. I can garuntee you this, I wouldnt be able to straight tank Coincounter and stand up to multiple blows with full HDL.

Now that being said DL gear does have some good pieces, but I wouldnt tank in any of it.

[Noir]

Me........

I always tank in heavy melded HP gear, with a some enmity and acc thrown in. I have 2 basic sets:
Set 1 is mostly HPs and with food gets me to 5.5k+ HPs
Set 2 is mostly HPs (4700ish w/ food) and about +60 eva and +60 parry

Heavy Dark light is trash for straight tanking say Coincounter and Ive passed on it quite a few times. Maybe if they made it wit a bit more survivabilty built in it would be OK, but all that enmity is overkill and not really needed. I can garuntee you this, I wouldnt be able to straight tank Coincounter and stand up to multiple blows with full HDL.

Now that being said DL gear does have some good pieces, but I wouldnt tank in any of it.

I agree, but I meant as changing the whole thing for melded. That's what he was implying. Of course people mix some pieces. Plus depend on style and party setup. I know some blm with triple meld pieces that some tanks definitely will apreciate the extra emnity, Garuda speaking. But for this boss, hp++ isn't bad either.

[Chardrizard]

Me........

I always tank in heavy melded HP gear, with a some enmity and acc thrown in. I have 2 basic sets:
Set 1 is mostly HPs and with food gets me to 5.5k+ HPs
Set 2 is mostly HPs (4700ish w/ food) and about +60 eva and +60 parry

Heavy Dark light is trash for straight tanking say Coincounter and Ive passed on it quite a few times. Maybe if they made it wit a bit more survivabilty built in it would be OK, but all that enmity is overkill and not really needed. I can garuntee you this, I wouldnt be able to straight tank Coincounter and stand up to multiple blows with full HDL.

Now that being said DL gear does have some good pieces, but I wouldnt tank in any of it.

Can i see a screenshoot of your 5.5k hp tank lmao

And why is this thread still going, its clear OP has no idea what hes talking about when it comes to materia or craft or endgame reward..

[Amsai]

HP build just means your a bad tank really... every single one of Coincounter's attacks can be avoided if you use your abilities correctly between his TP moves to avoid animation lock, having very high enmity and avoiding attacks can let your DD's go balls-to-the-wall and have 2min CC's. HDL is better, HP set also means your DD's are bad because they dont pull hate, and if your eating attacks its more stress on the whm's who could be keeping stone/aero up for debuffs to increase blm dmg.

I never claimed to be the best, but its about playstyle more than anything else. I find having to run from anything an insult to tanking. Am I a bit eccentric with it? Probably, but I asure you I have no problem holding enmity, its not really hard even when mages do get a bit trigger happy. I dont like running around like an idiot, I stand my ground. If I wanted to do that I'd play as my drg. You can say what you want about it, but If me and my LS are getting wins, why do you care how we do it? GTFO dude.

Can i see a screenshoot of your 5.5k hp tank lmao

Why would I lie about it? If you really think it cant exist then you really should get your head checked man. This just proves that the other guy was right and you actually have no idea what you are talking about. And no, I dont think I will provide pics for you, you should probably just go to the AH.... (er oops thats right we have MWs instead, fun).... and look at all the multiple melded HP gear that I always see up there. Then get a calculator and total up the insane amount of HPs you could create, if you were so inclined.
And why is this thread still going, its clear OP has no idea what hes talking about when it comes to materia or craft or endgame reward..
If you dont like the thread, then move on. You have don nothing to contribute to it and all you do is unjustly try to belittle others. Go f*ck yourself. It is you that has no idea what you are talking about. I dont 100% agree with everything the OP says, but he is right to worry about the current trends in this game. I am worried about them too. And so far I have yet to be impressed about how SE plans to entice new players, get back those who left, and retain them.

I sometimes do wonder why I have stayed with this game for so long. I do like a lot of aspects of it, and I do have hope for 2.0 (though it feels like a fools hope). Becuase it seems to me if the Devs dont kill this game, this shitty and completely lost Forum community will. So I truly hope SE in the end will make the good decisions and save you from yourselves, so I dont have to stand by with the "I told you so" look on my face as the game implodes post 2.0.

[Eliseus]

I never claimed to be the best, but its about playstyle more than anything else. I find having to run from anything an insult to tanking. Am I a bit eccentric with it? Probably, but I asure you I have no problem holding enmity, its not really hard even when mages do get a bit trigger happy. I dont like running around like an idiot, I stand my ground. If I wanted to do that I'd play as my drg. You can say what you want about it, but If me and my LS are getting wins, why do you care how we do it? GTFO dude.



I sometimes do wonder why I have stayed with this game for so long. I do like a lot of aspects of it, and I do have hope for 2.0 (though it feels like a fools hope). Becuase it seems to me if the Devs dont kill this game, this shitty and completely lost Forum community will. So I truly hope SE in the end will make the good decisions and save you from yourselves, so I dont have to stand by with the "I told you so" look on my face as the game implodes post 2.0.

You are 100% completely full of it. You can not have 5.5k HP without battle voice. If you have 5.5k HP then my DRG does 20k Jumps. No I won't show you are SS. Go look at the AH.

[Amsai]

You are 100% completely full of it. You can not have 5.5k HP without battle voice. If you have 5.5k HP then my DRG does 20k Jumps. No I won't show you are SS. Go look at the AH.

Jealous? I seriously dont understand why you think its impossible? Are we misunderstanding eachother somehow? Maybe if I sum it all up for you?

Step 1 War
Step 2 the best crafted and ra/ex HP gear in all relevant slots
Step 3 Materia the hell out of the crafted pieces
Step 4 Food ( I suppose I did forget to mention Giants Drink though I kind of rounded it together with food my bad)
Step 5 Full Party Bounus

Its not really that hard......

[Eliseus]

Jealous? I seriously dont understand why you think its impossible? Are we misunderstanding eachother somehow? Maybe if I sum it all up for you?

Step 1 War
Step 2 the best crafted and ra/ex HP gear in all relevant slots
Step 3 Materia the hell out of the crafted pieces
Step 4 Food ( I suppose I did forget to mention Giants Drink though I kind of rounded it together with food my bad)
Step 5 Full Party Bounus

Its not really that hard......

So you are giving a hypothetical situation because YOU don't have 5.5k hp. It is possible, not probable, but it COULD happen, just YOU don't. Matter of fact, on your PLD or even WAR (If you are an HP tanking war you are bad, so IDC about war since I'll rip off you in 2 nukes with all HP) IDK if its even possible to hit 5.5 HP even if you had quad melded tier 4s.

You do realize in order for you to hit 5.5k, you would need Quad melded HP gear or better which I can guarantee you don't since the HP you would need to quad wouldn't realistically be possible. How about you go look at the AH and pull at your calculator, because obviously you don't know what you are talking about.

[Firon]

Me........

I always tank in heavy melded HP gear, with a some enmity and acc thrown in. I have 2 basic sets:
Set 1 is mostly HPs and with food gets me to 5.5k+ HPs
Set 2 is mostly HPs (4700ish w/ food) and about +60 eva and +60 parry

Heavy Dark light is trash for straight tanking say Coincounter and Ive passed on it quite a few times. Maybe if they made it wit a bit more survivabilty built in it would be OK, but all that enmity is overkill and not really needed. I can garuntee you this, I wouldnt be able to straight tank Coincounter and stand up to multiple blows with full HDL.

Now that being said DL gear does have some good pieces, but I wouldnt tank in any of it.

pics plz i wanna see this 5.5k hp pld/war with melds cause i think its bs i know a pld on Sarg with triple hp tier III meld in all slots you can get it in and does not have 5.5k hp.

[Kafeen]

pics plz i wanna see this 5.5k hp pld/war with melds cause i think its bs i know a pld on Sarg with triple hp tier III meld in all slots you can get it in and does not have 5.5k hp.

I doubt you're going to get a screenshot. The character he's used for his profile here is just a sock. If someone isn't even prepared to say who they are they're not going to show themselves. That way they won't be able to continue to troll the forums without getting a bad rep ingame.

May as well stop feeling the troll.

As for the original topic, I think its absolutely ridiculous. Making raid gear better than anything else will only serve to remove what little is left for end-game DoH and DoL classes. With the exception of CUL and ALC who can still make food and pots, no one else will be needed.

I think the best solution is that that the game started with and several others here have already mentioned. Items like Dodore Doublet where the final item is crafted but the materials for the synth come from end-game raid/NMs along with other materials from high level gathering points. Have the top end-game equipment require ALL aspects of the game to be included, not just repeating the same few dungeons again and again because we know how fun that is from Primals, right?

If the issue is that they can be bought, then make the items and/or the materials untradable and offer an interface for people to have items crafted for them or don't and make the best gear require players to personally do all areas of game content in order to get the best gear. Its a harsh solution but getting the best shouldn't be easy.

For something that the OP says the vast majority of people want, I'm pleased to see that the vast majority of people here disagree.