Heaven's Eye IV

[Ryans]

I'm fairly certain triple melding IIIs is lower than double melding IVs. Its 30% on III double and 15% on III triple. Pretty sure its around the same 15% if not higher for IV double. (Assuming you use the lowest quality materia of the tier) So triple III could be a viable option for SE.

[Felis]

You can buy it with guildmarks if you still have some.

[Soukyuu]

Heaven's eye is being inflated drastically cause it is used for 2 relics, all other relic materia prices are relatively stable, and manathirst is cheap because it is a common spiritbond item. Prices won't drop for a while, as this content is still high in demand.

The key point here is demand. If you buy materia for 4Mil, why would the seller ever lower the price? If you refuse to pay the price, the price will eventually go down. If you absolutely HAVE to have this materia now, pay the price.

[Sephrick]

The key point here is demand. If you buy materia for 4Mil, why would the seller ever lower the price? If you refuse to pay the price, the price will eventually go down. If you absolutely HAVE to have this materia now, pay the price.

Given that this materia is desirable not only for its accuracy stat but also for two relics, it wouldn't hurt for SE to up the rate at which this materia can be created.

Demand is only one half of the equation. SE can help stabilize the other half by giving a nudge in the supply department.

They don't have to make it as common as Manathirst, but theres no reason why they can't do a little something.

[Aratharn]

Just a dumb decision to make one of the most rare materia (4-7% chance) be used for TWO relics. Meanwhile Manathirst IV and MND IV are like 40k.

[Skies]

Just a dumb decision to make one of the most rare materia (4-7% chance) be used for TWO relics. Meanwhile Manathirst IV and MND IV are like 40k.

Are you willing to test out if that materia drops more often from weapons than non-weapons?
That is a damn good analysis but it seems to ignore weapons altogether unless i'm bad at reading.

[SirOleas]

Heaven's eye is being inflated drastically cause it is used for 2 relics, all other relic materia prices are relatively stable, and manathirst is cheap because it is a common spiritbond item. Prices won't drop for a while, as this content is still high in demand.

On Masamune crit rate materia has jumped from 600-700k to 1.6-2m in a day.
The price on Obelisk jumped 10m last night from 20-25m to 35+

People are out of their minds lol.

[Gemma]

yea it is kind of odd how pld and brd share materia. I would have thought Bloodwall IV (def) would have been the materia for pld. I guess if you're going for those first just SB a ton of belts while killing beastmen for coins lol. Hope you get lucky

[Airget]

There is a severe imbalance when it comes to these said materia. Now perhaps it's balanced by the fact that maybe one weapons is easier to make then the other but I do have doubts about that. If you looked at the GM cost of materia you see the following: All IV
Manathirst=16k (MNK)
Mind=20k (WHM)
Heaven Eye=86k (BRD/PLD)
Hell Fist=86k (BLM)
Touch of Rage=86k(WAR)
Savage Might=86k(DRG)

From the above we can assume that SE favors WHM/MNK since they seem to have it easiest when it comes to materia XD the other are actually balanced though. Honestly though they could have balanced them all by doing the following:

DRG=Heaven Fist
BRD=Savage Might
BLM=Hell Fist
WAR=Battledance
WHM=Sagacious Might
PLD=Touch of Rage
MNK=Heaven Eye

All the above cost 86k GM to obtain and are useable by said weapon. Unless I"m mistaken bout both WHM/BLM being 2-handed lol. But overall it would fix the problem with 1 materia on 2 weapons but what they could do it just give players both options to hopefully alleviate the issue that some may have with obtaining said materia.
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Hm.. not sure if anyone has produced a guide on it all but since I went on this tangent here's the below lol

Now if we take a look at the original list we get this:
Manathirst=Hand/Rings/5Arms=4 spiritbond at a time
MND=Head/Rings/4Arms=4 spiritbond at a time
Heaven Eye=Head/Waist/3Arms=3spiritbond at a time
Hell Fist=Hand/Waist/Rings/2Arms=5 spiritbond at a time
Touch of Rage=Waist/Bracelet/2Arms=3 spiritbond at a time
Savage Might=Hands/Waist/3Arms=3 spiritbond at a time

Hands=Manathirst/Hell Fist/Savage Might=3/9 chance to obtain
Rings=Manathirst/MND/Hell Fist=3x2/7 chance to obtain
Head=Heaven's Eye/MND=2/10 chance to obtain
Waist=Heaven Eye/Hell Fist/Touch of Rage/Savage Might=4/15 chance to obtain
Bracelet=Touch of Rage=1/7 chance to obtain

ARMS:
Puglist=Manathirst/Heaven Eye=2/8 chance to obtain
THM/Con 1-Arm=Manathirst/MND= THM=2/6 CON=2/7
THM/CON 2-Arm=Manathirst/Hell Fist= THM=2/7 CON=2/7
Gladiator=MND/Touch of Rage=2/9
Archer=MND/Heaven Eye/Savage Might=3/9
Lancer=Heaven Eye/Savage Might=2/8
Marauder=Touch of Rage/Savage Might=2/8

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It seems like if any "materia" should be used twice it's Hell's Fist since a person can get 5 chances to obtain it through 1 round of spiritbonding. The ACC one which is used by 2 relics only has 3 chances at a time and looking further down at it the odds of obtaining from those are
1/10 10% chance from head, then 33% chance of grade IV
1/15 6.6% chance from waist
1/8 12.5 % from Pugilist
1/9 11.1% from Archer
1/8 12.5% from Lancer

So when it comes to Hell's Eye the best method is to use either a Pugilist or Lancer Arm since they both have 1 less materia to obtain compared from Archer. Arms sadly the highest percentage to obtain it with the head/waist having even lower odds to obtain.

Let's look at Hell's Fist:
1/9 11.1% from hands
1/15 6.6% from waist
1x2/7 14.2% from ring
1/7 14.2% from THM 2H
1/7 14.2% from CON 2H

Not only does Hell's Fist have more potions but the rings which offer the highest along with the arms can also be equipped 2 at a time which increase your odds even more. So in one round of spiritbonding you have 3 14.2% chances of at least obtaining a Hell's Fist yet the ACC ones high est is only 12.5%

Some info may be inaccurate but I tried my best to keep it as accurate as possible, I can definitely see where the frustration comes from it seems like they just stuck whatever materia they thought fit best without considering the odd sof obtaining said materia. Because of this we have ACC materia which you only have 3 chances to obtain a spiritbond with the high % being 12.5% meanwhile there's Hell's Fist which you have 5 chances to obtain at a time with 3 14.2% chances to obtain.

Maybe if the devs take a look at the numbers they'll adjust it to at least balance out the materia conversion rate when it comes to the ACC materia since the above does explain why those are so expensive. It's because it takes longer to obtain said materia compared to something like hell's Fist.

[indira]

get you own mats or spend alot of money. everyone knows anything you will need for something good will always go up in price because you'll pay for anyways or pay multiple times.