Should relic stats be tweeked?

[Akujin]

I cant help but think this battle is revenge from the guys who designed the Ifrit, Moogle and Garuda battles and saw their designs wrecked after just a few hours. I know Garuda had a different approach with the competition thing on how long did we think it would take before it was felled. But still, the creators of these things had to be thinking... damnit man, we spent months designing this and they just steamroll through everything in a few hours. Payback time bitchessss!

[waldo]

which means "it is too hard for the weapons with their current stats", its the same thing

People like you heh. Again, the question is posed "Should relec stats be tweeked?" "Is this questline worth it?"
You fail to offer anything close to an answer for these questions, rather just spew words about how you love how people think stuff is easy mode/too hard/whatever your problem for the day is.

Get off your soap box bud, you're in the wrong thread apparently, because your rants do not apply.

Back on track, the nails video is sick, and it makes me shiver a little seeing the 9999 damage to all. Yikes!

[TheFatHousecat]

Before you judge OP, let's think about this objectively:

For MNK:

Ifrit's Claws to Garuda's Talons = 1.38 DPS upgrade. Which is pretty fair, for a Primal fight which isn't very hard and considering it doesn't take much time to get either weapon if you just farm for the weapon exchange item.

Garuda's Talons to Sphairai = 0.98 DPS upgrade. In order to get this upgrade you need to spend millions of gil getting a double meld, weeks farming Hamlet for seals, you need to speed run <17 mins in both AV/CC 3 times, do a behest, caravan, faction leve, get 999 beastcoins (or 500/99 depending on which you choose), kill Ifrit on Extreme mode, and kill Garuda.

Doesn't seem quite right does it?

[waldo]

Before you judge OP, let's think about this objectively:

For MNK:

Ifrit's Claws to Garuda's Talons = 1.38 DPS upgrade. Which is pretty fair, for a Primal fight which isn't very hard and considering it doesn't take much time to get either weapon if you just farm for the weapon exchange item.

Garuda's Talons to Sphairai = 0.98 DPS upgrade. In order to get this upgrade you need to spend millions of gil getting a double meld, weeks farming Hamlet for seals, you need to speed run <17 mins in both AV/CC 3 times, do a behest, caravan, faction leve, get 999 beastcoins (or 500/99 depending on which you choose), kill Ifrit on Extreme mode, and kill Garuda.

Doesn't seem quite right does it?

Why judge me at all lol?
I asked a few questions, I did not claim anything to be fact... or even tell any mean spirited mama jokes!

Just questions is all.

[Skies]

Miss kitten, let's have a deeper look on the weapons:
Garuda's Talons -
Wind Resistance+15
Accuracy+25
Critical Hit Attack Power+40
Chance to inflict wind damage

Sphairai -
MP+70
Evasion+30
Attack Power+60
Refresh+5
Increases Shoulder Tackle damage

It has slightly higher DPS that most probably makes up for the increased wind damage, looses on accuracy and crit power, but gains evasion, refresh and +MP to maintain fists and a good deal more of attack power.
Does that makes it more right? I wouldn't know i'm not a monk, but a straight DPS comparison is not a good idea.

[Firon]

Why judge me at all lol?
I asked a few questions, I did not claim anything to be fact... or even tell any mean spirited mama jokes!

Just questions is all.

i think he was on your side ^^

Miss kitten, let's have a deeper look on the weapons:
Garuda's Talons -
Wind Resistance+15
Accuracy+25
Critical Hit Attack Power+40
Chance to inflict wind damage

Sphairai -
MP+70
Evasion+30
Attack Power+60
Refresh+5
Increases Shoulder Tackle damage

It has slightly higher DPS that most probably makes up for the increased wind damage, looses on accuracy and crit power, but gains evasion, refresh and +MP to maintain fists and a good deal more of attack power.
Does that makes it more right? I wouldn't know i'm not a monk, but a straight DPS comparison is not a good idea.

The only good stat on the mnk wep is the 60 atk power the mp and evasion is useless.

[Yumi_Hibiki]

People like you heh. Again, the question is posed "Should relec stats be tweeked?" "Is this questline worth it?"
You fail to offer anything close to an answer for these questions, rather just spew words about how you love how people think stuff is easy mode/too hard/whatever your problem for the day is.

Get off your soap box bud, you're in the wrong thread apparently, because your rants do not apply.

Back on track, the nails video is sick, and it makes me shiver a little seeing the 9999 damage to all. Yikes!

Ok here is my answer then, NO
im pretty tired that people feel the need to start a change petition for every single damn thing the devs put out.
and since we are honest to each other, here is my honest opinion:
get over your entitlement "bud"
what you get is what you get, if its not "worth it" enough for your taste, too bad

(and the question was not "are the weapons too weak compared to others?" it was "are the weapons stats high enough to justify such a hard fight?" my answer was just for that)

[yukikaze_yanagi]

Before you judge OP, let's think about this objectively:

For MNK:

Ifrit's Claws to Garuda's Talons = 1.38 DPS upgrade. Which is pretty fair, for a Primal fight which isn't very hard and considering it doesn't take much time to get either weapon if you just farm for the weapon exchange item.

Garuda's Talons to Sphairai = 0.98 DPS upgrade. In order to get this upgrade you need to spend millions of gil getting a double meld, weeks farming Hamlet for seals, you need to speed run <17 mins in both AV/CC 3 times, do a behest, caravan, faction leve, get 999 beastcoins (or 500/99 depending on which you choose), kill Ifrit on Extreme mode, and kill Garuda.

Doesn't seem quite right does it?

don't consider only dps :|| spharai have minor dps increase, but an amazing base damage + a big chuck of attack

[TheFatHousecat]

Miss kitten, let's have a deeper look on the weapons

It has slightly higher DPS that most probably makes up for the increased wind damage, looses on accuracy and crit power, but gains evasion, refresh and +MP to maintain fists and a good deal more of attack power.
Does that makes it more right? I wouldn't know i'm not a monk, but a straight DPS comparison is not a good idea.

While you obviously shouldn't just take DPS into account, it doesn't matter because the bonus stats on any of the weapons really aren't that great. The best ones as far as I can tell are lance, bow, and staff, and even then the stat increase really isn't worth the time/effort and just in general calling something a relic and then giving it easily replaceable stats is pretty silly.

As far as MNK goes: refresh/MP is nice but nothing to get excited about, ATK is okay, but it should be higher, and EVA is absolutely useless. The Shoulder Tackle bonus is also laughable.

[Ruisu]

Has it been confirmed that you can complete this? And it isn't some bullshit like Absolute Virtue was for two whole years before they added the 2 hour despawn?

I'm all for a challenging fight, but this looks absurd, and if it's still the 1 minute time between hellfire and the nails spawning, then it just alienates single target DDs.

I guess I'll wait until I give it a shot myself, or see some videos on it.