Should relic stats be tweeked?

[Firon]

Why judge me at all lol?
I asked a few questions, I did not claim anything to be fact... or even tell any mean spirited mama jokes!

Just questions is all.

i think he was on your side ^^

Miss kitten, let's have a deeper look on the weapons:
Garuda's Talons -
Wind Resistance+15
Accuracy+25
Critical Hit Attack Power+40
Chance to inflict wind damage

Sphairai -
MP+70
Evasion+30
Attack Power+60
Refresh+5
Increases Shoulder Tackle damage

It has slightly higher DPS that most probably makes up for the increased wind damage, looses on accuracy and crit power, but gains evasion, refresh and +MP to maintain fists and a good deal more of attack power.
Does that makes it more right? I wouldn't know i'm not a monk, but a straight DPS comparison is not a good idea.

The only good stat on the mnk wep is the 60 atk power the mp and evasion is useless.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

Before you judge OP, let's think about this objectively:

For MNK:

Ifrit's Claws to Garuda's Talons = 1.38 DPS upgrade. Which is pretty fair, for a Primal fight which isn't very hard and considering it doesn't take much time to get either weapon if you just farm for the weapon exchange item.

Garuda's Talons to Sphairai = 0.98 DPS upgrade. In order to get this upgrade you need to spend millions of gil getting a double meld, weeks farming Hamlet for seals, you need to speed run <17 mins in both AV/CC 3 times, do a behest, caravan, faction leve, get 999 beastcoins (or 500/99 depending on which you choose), kill Ifrit on Extreme mode, and kill Garuda.

Doesn't seem quite right does it?

don't consider only dps :|| spharai have minor dps increase, but an amazing base damage + a big chuck of attack

[KiriA500]

Before you judge OP, let's think about this objectively:

For MNK:

Ifrit's Claws to Garuda's Talons = 1.38 DPS upgrade. Which is pretty fair, for a Primal fight which isn't very hard and considering it doesn't take much time to get either weapon if you just farm for the weapon exchange item.

Garuda's Talons to Sphairai = 0.98 DPS upgrade. In order to get this upgrade you need to spend millions of gil getting a double meld, weeks farming Hamlet for seals, you need to speed run <17 mins in both AV/CC 3 times, do a behest, caravan, faction leve, get 999 beastcoins (or 500/99 depending on which you choose), kill Ifrit on Extreme mode, and kill Garuda.

Doesn't seem quite right does it?

Stop looking at that one stat.

Sphairai:
MP+70
Evasion+30
Attack Power+60
Refresh+5
Increases Shoulder Tackle damage

Garuda's Talons:
Wind Resistance+15
Accuracy+25
Critical Hit Attack Power+40
Chance to inflict wind damage

Ifrit's Claws:
Fire Resistance+15
Attack Power+30
Chance to inflict fire damage

If you can't see that the Sphairai is DRASTICALLY better, minus 1 whole damage per second, you're insane.

But as stated before, if you don't want to put in the time for these weapons (which are upgradable by the way), you don't have to.

[Penguin]

Stop looking at that one stat.

Sphairai:
MP+70
Evasion+30
Attack Power+60
Refresh+5
Increases Shoulder Tackle damage

Garuda's Talons:
Wind Resistance+15
Accuracy+25
Critical Hit Attack Power+40
Chance to inflict wind damage

Ifrit's Claws:
Fire Resistance+15
Attack Power+30
Chance to inflict fire damage

If you can't see that the Sphairai is DRASTICALLY better, minus 1 whole damage per second, you're insane.

But as stated before, if you don't want to put in the time for these weapons (which are upgradable by the way), you don't have to.

Just because they have more stat points on them doesn't make them drastically better, the Sphairai are better than Garuda Talons yes that is a fact that cant be debated, the question is if the stats on Sphairai are worth the huge time investment required to get.

I think most people who play monk and understand how monk works as a dps class will agree Sphairai are underwhelming at best.

Edit: Also how do you know they are upgradeable? do you work for SE? they will probably add a way to upgrade relics in the future i agree but when exactly? in patch 2.1? in a years time? in 4 years time?

[waldo]

Just because they have more stat points on them doesn't make them drastically better, the Sphairai are better than Garuda Talons yes that is a fact that cant be debated, the question is if the stats on Sphairai are worth the huge time investment required to get.

I think most people who play monk and understand how monk works as a dps class will agree Sphairai are underwhelming at best.

Maybe a better question is, if this game stays around another 2-3 years and the currect weapons are so close to "Relic" weapons, does that mean Odin weapons (for example) will be on par or maybe better than the relics?

[Ruisu]

Maybe a better question is, if this game stays around another 2-3 years and the currect weapons are so close to "Relic" weapons, does that mean Odin weapons (for example) will be on par or maybe better than the relics?

SE has stated numerous times that Relics are not meant for everyone. Those who cannot obtain relics may await the new primal drops, if they drop weapons still.

[Taggerung5]

Before you judge OP, let's think about this objectively:

For MNK:

Ifrit's Claws to Garuda's Talons = 1.38 DPS upgrade. Which is pretty fair, for a Primal fight which isn't very hard and considering it doesn't take much time to get either weapon if you just farm for the weapon exchange item.

Garuda's Talons to Sphairai = 0.98 DPS upgrade. In order to get this upgrade you need to spend millions of gil getting a double meld, weeks farming Hamlet for seals, you need to speed run <17 mins in both AV/CC 3 times, do a behest, caravan, faction leve, get 999 beastcoins (or 500/99 depending on which you choose), kill Ifrit on Extreme mode, and kill Garuda.

Doesn't seem quite right does it?

False.
You do not need to spend that much if you make your own weapons and materia and meld it yourself. More time consuming, but cheap.

While I do agree, some of the stats are kinda underwhelming and cheezy, but relics are worth it. For now at least, till something better comes along. Then we will all spend time getting the new stuff. It's an endless cycle. It's something to go for, something to achieve.

[Req]

False.
You do not need to spend that much if you make your own weapons and materia and meld it yourself. More time consuming, but cheap.

While I do agree, some of the stats are kinda underwhelming and cheezy, but relics are worth it. For now at least, till something better comes along. Then we will all spend time getting the new stuff. It's an endless cycle. It's something to go for, something to achieve.

I really hate when people say "Just farm it, its alot cheaper." In a technical sense yeah it is "cheaper" but if you get 2 melded heavens eyes and a sarnga and you blow the double meld up you are still blowing up almost 4 million gils worth of items. Everything has a price value in gil, just because you farm the mats doesn't mean that the double meld came cheap. Plus, time is money, right? And with the rate in which you are likely to actually get 2 of the top tier materia you need you are probably better off just farming items to sell to buy the materia off the market wards anyways.

As far as the relics are I do agree the stats are a bit underwhelming. What the hell is up with the white mage bonuses? Instead of giving a bonus to something whitemages should actually be using they give a bonus to holy? White mages need mp to heal, and the only thing holy is even really effective on is undead mobs anyways. As far as healing potency, its only slightly better than things we have out right now, and thats just the tip of the ice berg.

The DPS and damage on each of these weapons needs to be increased by atleast 2-3 more than what it currently is. I am personally going to be going for one, and so is like half my ls, and even though its going to take forever its going to be nice when we finally achieve the goal, but for me atleast, the accomplishment will only be good because of the fact that its currently the hardest thing to get. I don't care too much about the weapons themselves because they are super lack luster.

[Skies]

Miss kitten, let's have a deeper look on the weapons:
Garuda's Talons -
Wind Resistance+15
Accuracy+25
Critical Hit Attack Power+40
Chance to inflict wind damage

Sphairai -
MP+70
Evasion+30
Attack Power+60
Refresh+5
Increases Shoulder Tackle damage

It has slightly higher DPS that most probably makes up for the increased wind damage, looses on accuracy and crit power, but gains evasion, refresh and +MP to maintain fists and a good deal more of attack power.
Does that makes it more right? I wouldn't know i'm not a monk, but a straight DPS comparison is not a good idea.

[TheFatHousecat]

Miss kitten, let's have a deeper look on the weapons

It has slightly higher DPS that most probably makes up for the increased wind damage, looses on accuracy and crit power, but gains evasion, refresh and +MP to maintain fists and a good deal more of attack power.
Does that makes it more right? I wouldn't know i'm not a monk, but a straight DPS comparison is not a good idea.

While you obviously shouldn't just take DPS into account, it doesn't matter because the bonus stats on any of the weapons really aren't that great. The best ones as far as I can tell are lance, bow, and staff, and even then the stat increase really isn't worth the time/effort and just in general calling something a relic and then giving it easily replaceable stats is pretty silly.

As far as MNK goes: refresh/MP is nice but nothing to get excited about, ATK is okay, but it should be higher, and EVA is absolutely useless. The Shoulder Tackle bonus is also laughable.