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  1. #31
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    Taggerung5's Avatar
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    Taggerung Juskarath
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    Midgardsormr
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by TheFatHousecat View Post
    Before you judge OP, let's think about this objectively:

    For MNK:

    Ifrit's Claws to Garuda's Talons = 1.38 DPS upgrade. Which is pretty fair, for a Primal fight which isn't very hard and considering it doesn't take much time to get either weapon if you just farm for the weapon exchange item.

    Garuda's Talons to Sphairai = 0.98 DPS upgrade. In order to get this upgrade you need to spend millions of gil getting a double meld, weeks farming Hamlet for seals, you need to speed run <17 mins in both AV/CC 3 times, do a behest, caravan, faction leve, get 999 beastcoins (or 500/99 depending on which you choose), kill Ifrit on Extreme mode, and kill Garuda.

    Doesn't seem quite right does it?
    False.
    You do not need to spend that much if you make your own weapons and materia and meld it yourself. More time consuming, but cheap.

    While I do agree, some of the stats are kinda underwhelming and cheezy, but relics are worth it. For now at least, till something better comes along. Then we will all spend time getting the new stuff. It's an endless cycle. It's something to go for, something to achieve.
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    Last edited by Taggerung5; 06-27-2012 at 10:11 PM.

  2. 06-27-2012 10:53 PM
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    Me read good, with the comprehending and what not

  3. #32
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    Rutelor's Avatar
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    Rutelor Mhaurani
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Akujin View Post
    Or..hot damn..that person probably hasnt been out in the sun in the last five months!..lol I kid, I kid.
    ...but, at the same time, you're so profoundly right! :-)
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  4. #33
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    Kaeya Alberich
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    Twintania
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yumi_Hibiki View Post
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    what you get is what you get, if its not "worth it" enough for your taste, too bad

    (and the question was not "are the weapons too weak compared to others?" it was "are the weapons stats high enough to justify such a hard fight?" my answer was just for that)
    But isn't it understandable that quite a lot of players don't see the sense of new content added that might very likely not be worth the effort? (Not taking upgrade-option into account.)
    If the quest was thrilling and fun throughout the whole steps then this would be another story but apparently there is a lot of exhausting repetitive and grindish activity (except for Ifrit) so one would probably not do the quest for fun but for the item, at least many might look at it from this perspective.

    I will probably try to run for them (and might give up under heavy cursing) but still, it wouldn't be for the weapons praised from the devs, it would be rather for doing something.
    To me rather like a makeshift - if this quest is served as a quest for an item then it is sad that the item might not be in relation to the time spent.
    If it was not about the item but "only" a time consuming quest for the sake of fun and adventure as stated above then the evaluation of it would be different imo.
    To me the direct comparison time --> item is just purely unbalanced. :/
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    Last edited by Loggos; 06-28-2012 at 01:06 AM.

  5. #34
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    Rusalka Camenae
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    Gilgamesh
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    Carpenter Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Taggerung5 View Post
    False.
    You do not need to spend that much if you make your own weapons and materia and meld it yourself. More time consuming, but cheap.

    While I do agree, some of the stats are kinda underwhelming and cheezy, but relics are worth it. For now at least, till something better comes along. Then we will all spend time getting the new stuff. It's an endless cycle. It's something to go for, something to achieve.
    I really hate when people say "Just farm it, its alot cheaper." In a technical sense yeah it is "cheaper" but if you get 2 melded heavens eyes and a sarnga and you blow the double meld up you are still blowing up almost 4 million gils worth of items. Everything has a price value in gil, just because you farm the mats doesn't mean that the double meld came cheap. Plus, time is money, right? And with the rate in which you are likely to actually get 2 of the top tier materia you need you are probably better off just farming items to sell to buy the materia off the market wards anyways.

    As far as the relics are I do agree the stats are a bit underwhelming. What the hell is up with the white mage bonuses? Instead of giving a bonus to something whitemages should actually be using they give a bonus to holy? White mages need mp to heal, and the only thing holy is even really effective on is undead mobs anyways. As far as healing potency, its only slightly better than things we have out right now, and thats just the tip of the ice berg.

    The DPS and damage on each of these weapons needs to be increased by atleast 2-3 more than what it currently is. I am personally going to be going for one, and so is like half my ls, and even though its going to take forever its going to be nice when we finally achieve the goal, but for me atleast, the accomplishment will only be good because of the fact that its currently the hardest thing to get. I don't care too much about the weapons themselves because they are super lack luster.
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    Last edited by Req; 06-28-2012 at 01:25 AM.

  6. #35
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    AmyNeudaiz's Avatar
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    Adahna Serafi
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    Excalibur
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    This looks awesome and I want to try. BRB exchanging 1-3 months my life for a relic weapon.
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  7. #36
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    DeadRiser's Avatar
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    Kipp Kaida
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    Sargatanas
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    I'd love to try and do this without doing the relic quest. Yes to a challenge, no to getting that far in the relic quest lol
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  8. #37
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    Krausus Dracul
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    Famfrit
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    Ninja Lv 90
    To early to tell. Maybe the weapon gets upgraded with future content. Personally I'm going for it if for no other reason than just to have something to do. The sense of acompishment once I have one is going to be amazing regardless of the stats.
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  9. #38
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    Robert Redensa
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    Balmung
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    Dark Knight Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Asiaine View Post
    If everyone has 10,000 HP you can use Benediction and survive ^.^
    Pentameld Bloodthirst onto everything!
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  10. #39
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    Toxsik Kisxot
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    Balmung
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    They're really awesome but yeah for the amount of work they seem like they're not beefy enough!! Good thing is they said relic would be upgradable beyond level cap raise so they will have a chance to make it right.
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  11. #40
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    Kory Zangetsu
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    Excalibur
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    Black Mage Lv 72
    I am all over MNK relic. Is it worth the time to get? For me. Yes! The way I play MNK every stat on those are priceless.
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