Anti-Exploit Measures for Caravan (Can I have it?)

[Riv]

I'm not sure if you are considering it, but some monsters spawn in advance. To kill them quickly one must leave the caravan before it reaches them.

Also I've never see a 1000 seal run.

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...entry?e=374120

Also, if you're doing 1k seal runs then the people doing the caravan are not going to get back to the guy before recruitment opens up again. So anyone standing there could go ahead and grab it. If you don't like it, then don't do the 1k seal runs to ensure you are back there before recruitment opens.

If someone outside the party does grab it and whoever in the party was not able to get it, they should drop to allow the outside person in. If they don't i would consider the party douchebags, not the random guy who grabbed it (unless of course he is leeching just for the hell of it, as OP said).

Also, these can be done with 4 people, maybe less. It's not like dungeons where you have to have a minimum number of people to get in. The only time you need more is if you are trying for the speed achievements. I dunno why anyone would sit in town trying to gather a full party before heading out there, only to find there are already others out there doing it. Remember the old party recruitment feature? It actually works pretty well for gathering players for caravan in my experience.

[Roark]

Agreeing with what a few said;

-First come first serve~
-Don't need eight, certainly don't recruit eight before evening going there
-1000 seals will put you at risk of losing next round, your own prerogative
-Speed run was np with 5 ppl on first try (hello BLM and CNJ (gnats for flames))
-I SB gear there so you better invite me if I claim duty
-I'd do what Molly did in that situation, although I'd never do as OP stated
-Caravan rules = Behest 2011 rules


If leechers are a problem, maybe we start a AFK leecher flame war thread in our server forums; or just keep this thread alive and demand a dev response

[Neko_Yanagi]

I have to blame this entire argument on how caravans use to be pre-patch. You would NEVER have enough ppl to actually complete the caravan by just standing around and talking to the npc. You would have been there for days waiting. The only thing one could do to ensure that they could complete caravans would be to shout for it, gather a full pt, and set out. That way guaranteed that you would have enough people for the caravan runs and it was never a problem.

Times change, and that wasn't how caravans were intended to work. I realize that this has now become a severe issue with many, but you have to look at it as a behest now... You can't gather a full pt in town and do caravans for hrs like you use to. It's not how it was meant to work.

Leechers are a whole different story. They sucked in behests and they suck in a caravan escort. SE knew what a problem it was in behests, so they really should have come up with a way to remedy that before the implementation of caravan escorts. However, the flaw does lie with the users, since they are the ones who are d-bags and leeching. And don't tell me that it's so hard not to exploit because the opportunity to do so is so easily available. Empathy can be an amazing deterrent if you just use it...

[Dano]

bump, since the introduction of Relic Weapons, there's been a swell of players farming the seals, 8 spots are not enough, and there's been increasing amount of drama surrounding this.

[DeadRiser]

Happened today. A guy was crafting at Drybone by the npc as soon as we warped there. He was mid craft so he couldn't do anything. As soon as we finished the first one, he was in the next caravan and sat at camp doing nothing.

People in this community KNOW how to kill a game. As soon as I told him off for leeching, he sent his linkshell on us (3 people to our full party) and had them join up caravans. Really? Pathetic...

[HiirNoivl]

I don't do caravans any more. Just gather items for seals for turn in and turn in Ifrit weps.

[DeadRiser]

I don't do caravans any more. Just gather items for seals for turn in and turn in Ifrit weps.

Lol not everyone has a high leveled DoL class or has good enough luck to get Ifrit weapons every other run xD If you could pass your luck to me, I'll gladly spam Ifrit when I can

[AdvancedWind]

First off: Exploiting / leeching should be fixed, no questioning about that. As for the second argument, I can't say I'm sure about which side is right.

Yeah, caravan is suposed to be like behest, first come first serve. However, unlike behest, the rewards are meaningful enough to warrant parties dedicated to do it exclusively - it's the kind of thing linkshells get organized to do. "No one" went to do behests as their main content, outside of specific cases. Even LS groups doing behest were more like "well, it's behest time, let's get this 'free leve' and go back to our levequest sharing pt or w/e".

As such, it really was no big deal to adhere to the first come / first serve rule.

Caravan security, on the other hand, is a more focused event, specially the 45. People gather to do only that, in their 8man pt. I doubt anyone would have a problem with alternating runs with another group, as 1k seal runs usually last enough time for the pt to miss the next caravan anyways.

However, you have to admit that it's very frustrating when 1-2 guys want to do it and "depend" on your pt to be able. It's like having forced randoms join your LS event, and I can see why people might not want to do that. They're working to get their seals for their LS / pt and probably planned the event in advance explicitly for that. They can do it without you, but you can't do it without them, and you're taking the place of a member of their group.

I know it's a very bad analogy, but imagine you're in a park or w/e with a group of friends, then one of you goes to the bathroom and during that time, a random guy sits in where he was. It's not "against" the rules, but it would probably piss off the group and they would likely go find another place to sit if that random guy didn't want to leave.

[HiirNoivl]

Lol not everyone has a high leveled DoL class or has good enough luck to get Ifrit weapons every other run xD If you could pass your luck to me, I'll gladly spam Ifrit when I can

I WISH I COULD! It used to be fun to get a drop.

Now I feel like a greedy-guts because there are so many less fortunate.

[DeadRiser]

I WISH I COULD! It used to be fun to get a drop.

Now I feel like a greedy-guts because there are so many less fortunate.

Haha don't get me wrong, I have the weapons I want/need. Your luck would just be for selling them off xD