Anti-Exploit Measures for Caravan (Can I have it?)

[HiirNoivl]

Hey! XD

Don't go undercutting the Primal Materia market now...

[DeadRiser]

Hey! XD

Don't go undercutting the Primal Materia market now...

Now if only the rare materia from the rare weapons was actually a 100% chance instead of getting DEX III

[Felis]

Hallo,

ich habe neue Infos zum Thema Karawanen-Begleitschutz für euch.

Uns wurde vermehrt berichtet, dass einzelne Spieler nach Beginn des Events direkt zum Endpunkt laufen und dort darauf warten, dass sie die Belohnung erhalten.

In Version 2.0 werden wir jedoch Anpassungen am Karawanen-Begleitschutz vornehmen und uns gleichzeitig auch mit diesem Problem auseinandersetzen.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post728879

Hello,

I have new infos about caravan escourt for you.

We have got increasing reports that some players just after the start of the event go to the end point and wait there, that they receive the reward.

In version 2.0 we will make adjustments to the caravan escort and at the same time concern with this problem.

I hope my english translation is halfway understandable.

[DeadRiser]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post728879

Hello,

I have new infos about caravan escourt for you.

We have got increasing reports that some players just after the start of the event go to the end point and wait there, that they receive the reward.

In version 2.0 we will make adjustments to the caravan escort and at the same time concern with this problem.

I hope my english translation is halfway understandable.

Kind of upsetting that it couldn't be any sooner but thanks for the translation. Need to do like GW2, the more you participate, the higher the reward is for you at the end.

[Molly_Millions]

I know it's a very bad analogy, but imagine you're in a park or w/e with a group of friends, then one of you goes to the bathroom and during that time, a random guy sits in where he was. It's not "against" the rules, but it would probably piss off the group and they would likely go find another place to sit if that random guy didn't want to leave.

You're right, it is a bad analogy, and one that needs more thought put into it. In your park scenario, you and your friends have reserved that table by sitting there. In FFXIV on the other hand, there is no way to reserve a spot in caravan escort. If anything your example serves to show why I had more of a right to be in that escort mission than the others, because I was waiting at the starting point before anyone else was there.

[AdvancedWind]

Well, I admitted it was very bad right from the start =P.

But my main point still stands. I don't see anything inherently wrong with a party not wanting to do caravans with an outsider, even if he got there first, and I wouldn't call people who do not invite these people / ask them to leave / leave the caravan area / etc "douchebags".

They aren't doing anything wrong by wanting to do caravan only with their members, and I also think that in these situations, the solo guy should have some common sense and leave the caravan. Maybe try to get another group to do it with him, but not screw up the current party because they don't want him. No one is forced to accept him into the party; heck, as I mentioned, the solo guy wouldn't even be able to do it without a group in the first place, and most caravan groups are planned in advance, unlike behest.

Someone getting there and wanting to get in an already formed party is basically saying: "Well, you don't want to do with me? Tough luck bro, you either do it with me or no one does it at all".

[Molly_Millions]

Well, I admitted it was very bad right from the start =P.

But my main point still stands. I don't see anything inherently wrong with a party not wanting to do caravans with an outsider, even if he got there first, and I wouldn't call people who do not invite these people / ask them to leave / leave the caravan area / etc "douchebags".

They aren't doing anything wrong by wanting to do caravan only with their members, and I also think that in these situations, the solo guy should have some common sense and leave the caravan. Maybe try to get another group to do it with him, but not screw up the current party because they don't want him. No one is forced to accept him into the party; heck, as I mentioned, the solo guy wouldn't even be able to do it without a group in the first place, and most caravan groups are planned in advance, unlike behest.

Someone getting there and wanting to get in an already formed party is basically saying: "Well, you don't want to do with me? Tough luck bro, you either do it with me or no one does it at all".

You're ignoring the fact that the escort missions were designed so that nobody could reserve a spot. It's designed that way to force people to take turns. I'm sorry, but people can cry about it all they want, it's first come first served.

[AdvancedWind]

You're ignoring the fact that the escort missions were designed so that nobody could reserve a spot. I'm sorry, but people can cry about it all they want, it's first come first served.

I'm not ignoring that fact, I just consider it irrelevant in this case.

Can the random guy do it by himself? No.
The party wants to do with him? No.


What exactly someone gains by still waiting there under these conditions? It doesn't matter who got there first or that you can't reserve a spot, neither him or the party will do the caravan that way. Both sides just lose time and probably generate pointless drama that could've been avoided.

Yeah, it would be nice if the party just did with him, and I honestly would do that if I was in the party and everyone agreed with that, but if I go to a caravan security area by myself hoping to get a party, sign up for a caravan and then an entire party shows up to do it and they don't want me in, I would just leave instead of ruining their runs when I can't do it by myself anyways.

[Molly_Millions]

I'm not ignoring that fact, I just consider it irrelevant in this case.

Can the random guy do it by himself? No.
The party wants to do with him? No.


What exactly someone gains by still waiting there under these conditions? It doesn't matter who got there first or that you can't reserve a spot, neither him or the party will do the caravan that way. Both sides just lose time and probably generate pointless drama that could've been avoided.

Yeah, it would be nice if the party just did with him, and I honestly would do that if I was in the party and everyone agreed with that, but if I go to a caravan security area by myself hoping to get a party, sign up for a caravan and then an entire party shows up to do it and they don't want me in, I would just leave instead of ruining their runs when I can't do it by myself anyways.

what do they gain? the get the escort quest, I thought that was rather obvious. I'm sorry man, your argument carries no weight. You cannot argue that because you did the previous caravan escort that you somehow have more rights to do the next one than the guys who's been waiting 20 minutes for the last mission to complete. There are only 24 level 45 caravan escort slots on the server, and there are potentially way more people at any given time that want to do them. For this reason you must take turns and cannot reserve a spot in the next one before the NPC pops.

You can wish all you want for the system to work differently, but the fact of the matter is you are forced to take turns by design. Besides, that way is the most fair to everyone.

[AdvancedWind]

what do they gain? the get the escort quest, I thought that was rather obvious.

An escort quest that I'm pretty sure 99% of the player base cannot complete solo. I'm not talking about two parties competing and one wanting to monopolize the place.