Yoshida-san: Please Give Us a BETTER System for Relics and Future 2.0 Challenges!

[fusional]

that's cool. let me know when your grammar mobile drives you to a sub-17 minute MM kill- because otherwise you're never gonna see relic, turbo.

[Darkillumina]

are you mentally retarded?
what's wrong with ppl using their decent gears in dungeons if they want to achieve the better outcome?

Way to miss the point genius. I never said anything about that. In fact I agree that in order to run it quickly you need to be decently geared. Like I said people can't show up in AF and expect top results. I never once contested that. Reading comprehension fail.

[Zdenka]

lol fusional check this out what he post earlier... 2 WHM for each boss! thats auto-not ever gonna get 17m or quicker clears

AV: Until Coin-Counter, 1 tank, 4 black mages for burning the rooms down as fast as possible, 2 white mages for regen and one bard. That is the only feasible way to get past the two poison rooms quickly. This is absolutely non-negotiable. You cannot clear AV in under 17 minutes unless you use a similar set up.

CC: 2 Tanks until Princess, 3 Black Mages, 2 white mages and a bard. Sub one Tank for a black mage after Princess. Burn everything down as fast as possible. Again this is non-negotiable.

Oh I'll give you a tip, your CC is not cookie cutter at all.

Entrance Trash: Your 2nd WAR and 2nd WHM are totally useless, and BRD is negotiable (give up like half a hallway of runspeed for another blm to kill quicker.... blm prob wins by a couple seconds). So you are clearing trash with 5.5 people.

Princess: GG using 2 WHM your killtime just increased by 1 minute to 1 minute 30s, and if you still use that many BLM for her add another 20-30s onto killtime.

Chimera: GG using 2 WHM again, add 1m15s onto kill time.

With that set up the BEST time I can possibly think of is 19 minutes if everyone is ultra pro DPS. Using 2 WHM is such a handicap on those 2 fights for speed clears idkkkk

We have cleared in under 17m here is our set up

Trash 1: 6x BLM, 1x WAR, 1x WHM
Princess: WHM, BRD, BLM, DRG, MNK, 3x WAR (ultra cookie cutter) - We have killed her+Marshal before 2nd guard pops, you'll never ever do that with a 2nd WHM
Chimera: WHM, BRD, PLD, 5x BLM

But ya mostly just making fun of using 2 WHM :/ I'm going to go cry now due to the lack of DL drops lately

[Darkillumina]

And this thread has been derailed by the e-peeners. Congratulations guys. It's a shame we can't have viable conversation about this topic and these game design choices.

I also said until the boss. I was also posting a initial speed run set-up at that point. If everyone is super experienced which I'm sure you guys are you can cut out some of the safety for more damage. Regardless, my point holds. If you want to hit the 17 minute time for the guaranteed drop. You need a very specific set-up. At least with a regular speed run you can have some job flexibility.

Regardless I will stop arguing with you for the sake of this thread. The issues need to be discussed and arguing with you over set-ups is a total red-herring with regards to discussing said issues.

[Almalexia]

And this thread has been derailed by the e-peeners.

Relic weapon discussion

I... I don't...

[TheFatHousecat]

This whole thing is a e-peen content between those who think they are soooooooo skilled because they can speed run it in that time and those who are governed by common sense. It seems I'm the only one who can put e-peen aside and look at this objectionably.

It was never about those people thinking they're 'soooooooo skilled', so much as those people pointing out that completing sub-17 min. run in AV takes skill and having to provide numbers and examples to prove so. AV is by no means an extremely hard instance, it's very fun and somewhat challenging, but I don't consider it the high point of my hardcore gaming career, because that's what you seem to assume. If I or someone else is better than a group of people at doing something in the game then it's not an e-peen as much a fact, deal with it.

Also don't try to defend speed runs as being skill based and supported by the community. There is a plethora of evidence to prove the contrary. Speed Runs are fake-difficulty. It's a cheap, lazy way to prolong content and ostracizes people who really want to play a certain class.

Don't understand how you don't think speed runs require skill when the very definition of skill is to complete an action as quickly and efficiently as possible.

Also, I honestly don't see the issue with speed runs. In say, 7 months time, when we have 2.0 and new engines and what have you, hopefully there will be different sorts of requirements outside of speed runs to attain items or clear instances, but that doesn't mean that a speed run is a horrible thing and should be ABOLISHED. I'm not even sure what more the dev. team could really include when they're working with a crap engine and trying to keep content fairly difficult and long-lasting. The team gives us something that's skill-based and people complain, so next time they'll bring in an HNM that the best LSs aren't able to defeat even after a month and require several perfect kills for relic 2. I wonder how many people will complain then?

You say the reason that this thread is so long is because of RNG and speed run complaints, but I still disagree. While I'm not content with the melding requirement for relic, I believe that the reason this thread is so long is that a large group of people don't want to put any time/effort into an item that's supposed to be BiS for a long time, or simply don't have the ability to complete the requirements for said relics due to lack of skill. Call me an elitist, cool story bro. It's what I see and it's objective.

grammar is terrible.

Because your grammar is impeccable, right?

[SniperRifle]

lol ヽ（´ー｀）

[Luxanna]

confirmed 17mins speed run gives everyone in the party "Miser's Mythril"

[Madruk]

Clear use of bots.

[MeowyWowie]

Grats guys!