Yoshida-san: Please Give Us a BETTER System for Relics and Future 2.0 Challenges!

[TheFatHousecat]

The community at large hates two things predominately. 1. Is RNG and 2. Is Speed Runs which force cookie cutter set ups. This is FACT.

I disagree.

[Madruk]

I can definitely handle the speed runs, it would be a 1000000000000000% time better setup than dealing with the RNG.

[morpheus]

I can definitely handle the speed runs, it would be a 1000000000000000% time better setup than dealing with the RNG.

Agreed, With speed runs you can do stuff to improve your parties setup. With rng its just blind luck and who knows if you will ever get it.

[Darkillumina]

I disagree.

You may disagree but the fact of the matter is that the community at large dislikes these two things.

Look, for me the speed runs aren't a problem but thinking beyond selfish reasons this is a terrible design choice and ostracizes many in the community who deplore these two aspects of 1.0.

[TheFatHousecat]

You may disagree but the fact of the matter is that the community at large dislikes these two things.

Look, for me the speed runs aren't a problem but thinking beyond selfish reasons this is a terrible design choice and ostracizes many in the community who deplore these two aspects of 1.0.

Community doesn't hate speed runs, community hates things not being easy and/or easily completed in any feasible setup. The only people being ostracized are the people who either don't have the ability to do a speed run or who can't find like-minded people to do it with them.

[TheVedis]

Community doesn't hate speed runs, community hates things not being easy and/or easily completed in any feasible setup. The only people being ostracized are the people who either don't have the ability to do a speed run or who can't find like-minded people to do it with them.

i dont hate speed runs, but 17 minute runs is a bit much imo...

ill probly end up getting my stuff the hard way if that doesnt change somehow with a low low drop rate, cuz i dont think ill ever be in a shell who does runs that seriously

[fusional]

Are you functionally retarded? All you need to kill Miser <3 minutes is decent mnks with decent gear. If you have good melded gear and are not rolling in AF the whole fight is lol worthy.

see, the "functionally retarded" comment is funny since, if you want to hit 17 minutes, you need to kill mistress in about 2 minutes. which i understand now you've never done. because you don't have any idea what you're talking about. at all. not one bit.

so keep telling yourself it's easy. keep killing it in 3 minutes (lol). keep telling yourself your dps is good enough and patting yourself on the back. and then text me when you're ready to come crawling back to the forums to moan and cry about how you were wrong and you can't cut it.

i don't care how good you think you are. you cannot EVER do a 17 minute run if you think a 3 minute MM is adequate. you NEED to kill her in ~2. and to kill her in 2 you NEED to hit 150 dps. and you CAN'T. other people can, but not you.

[BlackomegaKingofwaffles]

[Darkillumina]

see, the "functionally retarded" comment is funny since, if you want to hit 17 minutes, you need to kill mistress in about 2 minutes. which i understand now you've never done. because you don't have any idea what you're talking about. at all. not one bit.

so keep telling yourself it's easy. keep killing it in 3 minutes (lol). keep telling yourself your dps is good enough and patting yourself on the back. and then text me when you're ready to come crawling back to the forums to moan and cry about how you were wrong and you can't cut it.

i don't care how good you think you are. you cannot EVER do a 17 minute run if you think a 3 minute MM is adequate. you NEED to kill her in ~2. and to kill her in 2 you NEED to hit 150 dps. and you CAN'T. other people can, but not you.

That elitist mentality is what hurts this game. I have killed Miser in under 2 minutes but for anything under 3 minutes you need decently geared mnks. To get it down to 2 minutes you need a tank who can put out decent numbers, you need to keep miser in its initial spawn point and mnks who are decently equipped w/potions. If it moves you've blown it That's it. Don't presume to know something just because I offended you. Beating Devil May Cry 3 on DMD mode = Skill for comparison purposes.

This whole thing is a e-peen content between those who think they are soooooooo skilled because they can speed run it in that time and those who are governed by common sense. It seems I'm the only one who can put e-peen aside and look at this objectionably.

Also don't try to defend speed runs as being skill based and supported by the community. There is a plethora of evidence to prove the contrary. Speed Runs are fake-difficulty. It's a cheap, lazy way to prolong content and ostracizes people who really want to play a certain class.

The reason this thread has reached 90 + pages isn't because people are lazy and want these weapons to be finished in one day. The reason is that this whole quest line involves the 2 most deplored aspects of FFXIV 1.0. It's basically a celebration of obsolete gaming design.

P.S. Your grammar is terrible. Also you're trying to turn the topic into a argument on micro-managing dps. Shut the fuck up about your DPS and look at the bigger issues the community is trying to address.

[Luxanna]

By making the speed run even more tight, all it means is that you can't roll with AF gear and need to be decently equipped with melds which requires playing the RNG game.

are you mentally retarded?
what's wrong with ppl using their decent gears in dungeons if they want to achieve the better outcome?