Yoshida-san: Please Give Us a BETTER System for Relics and Future 2.0 Challenges!

[Kagato]

ITT: The most powerful weapons in the game need to be easy to get so that everyone can have one and weapons from Ifrit/Garuda/Moggle Mog become useless! Please make it super easy so that I don't have to have something to show for my hard work and dedication compared to the average player! I want to be just like everyone else!


Seriously, folks. If a relic weapon is too hard for you to get as it is right now, you don't deserve to get one. Stick to your Primal weapons. They're there for people like you. I'm already halfway to my Relic Axe.

Did people complain this much about how hard it was to obtain relics in XI? I never got on the forums for those so I wouldn't know, but it seems like everyone in Xi just took how hard they were to get as fact.

I do remember though that when you saw someone with one, you gave them the nod and told your ls you were looking at one. Much like you do when you see a rare car or plane in RL. Thats what these are intended to be. NOT FOR EVERYONE. Stop thinking of these as AF weapons from xi, and start thinking of them as actual relic weapons would be my bet. As for the stats, they are good base stats as I am sure SE will make these upgradable as the level cap increases. Gut check time folks. Maybe SE doesn't want every tom dick and mithra to have one.

Actually, people in XI did complain about how long it took to get a Relic weapon. After years of complaining, SE finally decided to give in and Relics are now able to be obtained more easily. And guess what happened?

That's right. Everyone started complaining about how easy it was and how it's unfair it is to those who actually worked hard to get one before-hand.

[Alegis]

ITT: The most powerful weapons in the game need to be easy to get so that everyone can have one and weapons from Ifrit/Garuda/Moggle Mog become useless! Please make it super easy so that I don't have to have something to show for my hard work and dedication compared to the average player! I want to be just like everyone else!


Seriously, folks. If a relic weapon is too hard for you to get as it is right now, you don't deserve to get one. Stick to your Primal weapons. They're there for people like you. I'm already halfway to my Relic Axe.

Read > Understand > Answer. Why do most of you skip the understanding part?

Many ppl explained yet what the flaws of the RNG thing are and how it could be done better.
But none of you were able to give a single valid point why the RNG system is good as it is, except these "they just want it easier blabla" nonsense.

[Chardrizard]

Read > Understand > Answer. Why do most of you skip the understanding part?

Many ppl explained yet what the flaws of the RNG thing are and how it could be done better.
But none of you were able to give a single valid point why the RNG system is good as it is, except these "they just want it easier blabla" nonsense.

Let me ask you one simple question, if they do away RNG system, how do you want to work on your relic instead?

[Alegis]

Let me ask you one simple question, if they do away RNG system, how do you want to work on your relic instead?

Like ppl explained the last 22 sites and what you guys just did ignore because theres nothing to say against (because it doesnt involve to make anything easier or faster): I want to see Progress.
All i need to know is, that the time spent wasnt wasted. Not to cross fingers every time.
If it still takes a year or two, im fine with that, never had a problem with long-time goals nor with difficulty (loved the difficulty of CoP back then).
Progress and the same amount of work for everyone.
This has absolutely nothing to do with less work/time, like some trolls repeat all the time because they are unable to argue.

Tell me, whats wrong with Progress?

You do realize that people can read this topic, fully understand this topic, and still think it's idiotic, right? I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it is possible for someone to think you're wrong. I know. Shocking.

I stand by my point. Relics too hard for you to get? Stick to primal weapons. But I can understand this 2-year-old temper tantrum approach you have going. Complain enough and maybe you'll get that candy bar.

As I said. I am already halfway to my weapon. What's your excuse other than laziness?

Nothing wrong if some ppl dont agree.
The problem is ur unable to understand what we are talking about.
Otherwise u wouldnt talk about laziness and that we want relics on a silverplate etc.
Your latest post proves it again.

[Kagato]

Like ppl explained the last 22 sites and what you guys just did ignore because theres nothing to say against (because it doesnt involve to make anything easier or faster): I want to see Progress.
All i need to know is, that the time spent wasnt wasted. Not to cross fingers every time.
If it still takes a year or two, im fine with that, never had a problem with long-time goals nor with difficulty (loved the difficulty of CoP back then).
Progress and the same amount of work for everyone.
This has absolutely nothing to do with less work/time, like some trolls repeat all the time because they are unable to argue.

Tell me, whats wrong with Progress?

You want progress? Ok.

Every GC Seal you obtain toward the 25,000 = Progress.
Every Hamlet Item you receive = Progress
Getting the Soiled Promissory Note = Progress
Getting the HQ Materials = Progress
Killing the NM = Progress
Obtaining the Dungeon Items = Progress

How is doing any of these "not seeing any progress?" You don't want progress. You want Guarantees. You want 100% drops and success rates. Anything less would mean "RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR! TOO HARD!"

Stop trying to sugar-coat things to make your point sound more intelligent than it really is. You might as well just come right out and say it: "The current Relic system is too difficult. Make it easier."

[Alegis]

You want progress? Ok.

Every GC Seal you obtain toward the 25,000 = Progress.
Every Hamlet Item you receive = Progress
Getting the Soiled Promissory Note = Progress
Getting the HQ Materials = Progress
Killing the NM = Progress
Obtaining the Dungeon Items = Progress

How is doing any of these "not seeing any progress?" You don't want progress. You want Guarantees. You want 100% drops and success rates. Anything less would mean "RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR! TOO HARD!"

Stop trying to sugar-coat things to make your point sound more intelligent than it really is. You might as well just come right out and say it: "The current Relic system is too difficult. Make it easier."

Jesus Christ... i have the feeling it would be easier to explain it to my sisters dog...

Where do you see progress if u do hamlet for days without getting anything? Theres no progress.
Where do you see progress if one meld goes wrong after another?

I remember Ifrit where i did go 1/1 while others had 0/70. Got nothing to do with skill, fairness, difficulty or something like that. Pure luck, thats it.

And yes, guaranteed drops. Thats progress. But who says it have to stay at 9 seals then? As ppl said before, it would be ok if its 150 seals and we get one each hamlet. U know u have to do 150 hamlets to get it done and u know every other have to do 150 hamlets too.

You say we just think its to difficult (to speak about difficulty regarding this quest is like talking about player-skill for materia melding lol), i say ur just not smart enough to get the point.

[Zell]

The suggestions made by the original poster I would do regardless if they led to a relic, now, or two years from now. Why? Because they are fun, in and of themselves. I enjoy hamlets, but not if you require that I do it 1000 times. I love the design of CC and AV, but not if you make me do it 1000 times with speed runs that require you "skip" large amount of the design/content.

I enjoy crafting, but not if you make it where I lose all of the materials I spent the last month trying to obtain, not to mention the millions of lost gil.

There is Qualitative progression that can take a very long time, but the ride is worth it. OR,

There is Quantitative/Repetitive progression that undermines the already existing content, and alienates the playerbase, along with anyone else that wants to join the game for the first time.

Honestly, look at it from the perspective of someone who's just joining the game. Do you honestly believe they will ever embark on this "Journey" if the mountain they have to climb is at a Verticle slope?

There is challenge and then there is masochism. I find it amazing that so many people prefer the masochism.

Edit:

I've come to the sad realization that the only "new" content from now until the release of 2.0 (6 months from now) is a Legatus battle. So what do you do if you're SE to pass the time as you make stuff for 2.0? The Relics.... Now that I see it for what it is, I consciously refuse to partake in it, or impliedly endorse the concept.

I log on and do hamlets of the shell needs it. If they need one more for CC and AV, fine... But I won't be caught in the hamster wheel. I love watching basketball, but when I did Fantasy Basketball in college, I started to hate it. I think it's analogous.... the Relic design concept is going to make people hate the content, that otherwise, would be fun to do without the external pressure of getting drops....

This will create a lot of rifts in shells where CC, AV arn't on speed-farm status, and Hamlets where friends playing together can only get a 30k score.

My 2.5 cents.

[Chardrizard]

Like ppl explained the last 22 sites and what you guys just did ignore because theres nothing to say against (because it doesnt involve to make anything easier or faster): I want to see Progress.
All i need to know is, that the time spent wasnt wasted. Not to cross fingers every time.
If it still takes a year or two, im fine with that, never had a problem with long-time goals nor with difficulty (loved the difficulty of CoP back then).
Progress and the same amount of work for everyone.
This has absolutely nothing to do with less work/time, like some trolls repeat all the time because they are unable to argue.

Tell me, whats wrong with progress

Give a scenario what is progress, spamming 60 hamlet with 100% seals? Turn in 10x single melded avenger? Then spam 30 av/cc for the item at 100% drop rate? Are you gonna be happy with spamming content?

[Kagato]

Read > Understand > Answer. Why do most of you skip the understanding part?

Many ppl explained yet what the flaws of the RNG thing are and how it could be done better.
But none of you were able to give a single valid point why the RNG system is good as it is, except these "they just want it easier blabla" nonsense.

You do realize that people can read this topic, fully understand this topic, and still think it's idiotic, right? I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it is possible for someone to think you're wrong. I know. Shocking.

I stand by my point. Relics too hard for you to get? Stick to primal weapons. But I can understand this 2-year-old temper tantrum approach you have going. Complain enough and maybe you'll get that candy bar.

As I said. I am already halfway to my weapon. What's your excuse other than laziness?