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    Yeah, the new server structure is pretty much the main thing that will help, since even with the combo system it's still a bit delayed in calculations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elexia View Post
    Yeah, the new server structure is pretty much the main thing that will help, since even with the combo system it's still a bit delayed in calculations.
    I remember in WoW whenever I responded to a PUG Raid, I would be asked ilvl(Item level), Achievement(Proof I have experience in the dungeon), and what class I was (So the group would be diverse and less competition for class specific gear.). I "kind of" hope that is the state of mind people go into.

    EDIT: Also on the thing someone mentioned about Dark Knight. I want it as much as the next person, but you have to look at it on a large scale. We need more "roles" in this game. Adding in DRK would just be adding another swing at the mob job. We need something unique for players. A stealth or pet class fits the description. Musketeer I would vote also if it can differentiate itself from Archer to the point it is it's own class. So basically, I welcome anything unique as long as it is useful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    I remember in WoW whenever I responded to a PUG Raid, I would be asked ilvl(Item level), Achievement(Proof I have experience in the dungeon), and what class I was (So the group would be diverse and less competition for class specific gear.). I "kind of" hope that is the state of mind people go into.
    Hell no >.>, I dont want this game to turn into one where everyone HAS to have a set amount of equipment/experience etc. things never get done
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fear View Post
    Hell no >.>, I dont want this game to turn into one where everyone HAS to have a set amount of equipment/experience etc. things never get done
    Exactly, you cant do endgame without endgame gear, but how do you get the endgame gear because you have no endgame gear and cant to the endgame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delsus View Post
    Exactly, you cant do endgame without endgame gear, but how do you get the endgame gear because you have no endgame gear and cant to the endgame.
    Yup, it begins a cycle of elitism, I hope that SE never allows people to see stats such as DPS etc. (weapon DPS doesn't count since it doesn't include player stats/materia)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delsus View Post
    Exactly, you cant do endgame without endgame gear, but how do you get the endgame gear because you have no endgame gear and cant to the endgame.
    Exactly!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fear View Post
    Hell no >.>, I dont want this game to turn into one where everyone HAS to have a set amount of equipment/experience etc. things never get done
    That is where that "kind of" came in. You have LS's and Free Company to work together and get end game gear. Most of the time PUG's look for experienced players to make sure to get the job done. Most PUG's don't like holding people's hands. I know I don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    That is where that "kind of" came in. You have LS's and Free Company to work together and get end game gear. Most of the time PUG's look for experienced players to make sure to get the job done. Most PUG's don't like holding people's hands. I know I don't.
    Its called helping others, alot of people like to help others outside of thier linkshell from time to time, I know I do even if it is wipe after wipe.

    Also if SE added this item level 1st linkshell rules would be item level xx only so no one would beable to get into an experianced group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delsus View Post
    Its called helping others, alot of people like to help others outside of thier linkshell from time to time, I know I do even if it is wipe after wipe.

    Also if SE added this item level 1st linkshell rules would be item level xx only so no one would beable to get into an experianced group.
    Then that is you. It is very common in MMO's that groups want experienced players. If you want to make a PUG with the benefit of helping others, good for you. At the same time, there are people who want experienced players and not ones who will hold them back in the benefit of better chances of success. That is us. Nothing in my statements said that inexperienced should be left out of groups. If you want to teach people, go ahead.

    The point I made before you decided to take it into a different direction is that how "elitist" like players look at people when they invite them. Based off experience and gear, not simply by their job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    Then that is you. It is very common in MMO's that groups want experienced players. If you want to make a PUG with the benefit of helping others, good for you. At the same time, there are people who want experienced players and not ones who will hold them back in the benefit of better chances of success. That is us. Nothing in my statements said that inexperienced should be left out of groups. If you want to teach people, go ahead.

    The point I made before you decided to take it into a different direction is that how "elitist" like players look at people when they invite them. Based off experience and gear, not simply by their job.
    Of course your posts don't sound like that at all do they

    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    I remember in WoW whenever I responded to a PUG Raid, I would be asked ilvl(Item level), Achievement(Proof I have experience in the dungeon), and what class I was (So the group would be diverse and less competition for class specific gear.). I "kind of" hope that is the state of mind people go into.
    This shows you want to help people all the time.

    And then there is this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    That is where that "kind of" came in. You have LS's and Free Company to work together and get end game gear. Most of the time PUG's look for experienced players to make sure to get the job done. Most PUG's don't like holding people's hands. I know I don't.
    What about the people who struggle to find a LS because they are new they don't have experiance of endgame and all they can do to get even some experiance of endgame is PUGs that mean they aren't entitled to get anything?

    You would be surprised how many LS applications ask "what noteworthy gear do you have" ie gear from endgame, "how much endgame experiance do you have?"
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