Do you want Dragoon to have a pet!? (poll)

[PiedPiper]

Read through all 14 pages, got an idea while doing it too.

Why not make twin paths for the souls? Since this is about the wyvern pet, which I want, I will use the Dragoon to show my idea.

There would be the path of the Destroyer, hunting down and slaying dragons, using a ritual to steal their strength for his own. This would gain the dragoon special abilities, both active and passive, to enhance his own stregnth.

The path of the protector would be one allied with the dragons, gaining one as a companiion at his side.

You could even have the turning point be running across a battle where a dragon protects her nest from hunters intent on slaying her and crushing the eggs. Aid the hunters, fight the dragon, destroy the eggs and be initiated into the dark art of stealing a dragons power for themselves.

Or you could choose to aid the dragon, fighting by her side (which would be awesome by itself for me) against the hunters. Probably a more difficult fight since they outnumber you. Once you survived and protected both the dragoness and the eggs you would be honored by witnessing their hatching where one would bond with you.

Both paths would be followed to increase the dragoon's might. The destroyer hunting down dragons to tear their power from them. The protector finding, guarding or challenging them. But where the destroyer would be stealing power for himself the protector would be gaining experiance, wisdom and development for the dragonette.

The dragonette would be too young to throw right into battle but during Weapon skills and dragoon jumps it would add it's own hits for a second, undoubtedly smaller, amount of damage on top of his own. It would only come into it's own when it earned enough development to grow into a young dragon. Large enough to fight, large enough to mount and ride but not quite old enough for sustained flight.

Twin paths could be used for all the souls. Bard could be Vocalist and instramentalist. White mage could focus on healing or protection. Black mage ritual or dual cast. (Ritual: Extended castime for additonal effects and damage, Dual Cast: Casting a single spell in both hands, less damage each but overall more.) Paladin, Fortress of Steel or Icon of Virtue. (Defencive skills Vs Increased white magic) and so on and so forth.



Did I come up with all of this just to increase the chances of seeing my beloved Sasavi resurrected in 14? Yus!

This. Entirely This. I was going to post suggesting something similar, but this person already came up with fancy words and explanations. Its already been revealed that they want to make the combat system in 2.0 much more complex and deep. Why not simply give LNC/DRG two more options, one which emphasizes how it is now (a pewpew lazerspear class) or just leaves the current class completely alone, and another option (Guardian, WyvernLover, FFXIFANPEOPLE, w/e you wanna call us) where we take a hit in terms of personal dps and gain our beloved wyvern. Both teams win. People who prefer no wyvern keep their current class unchanged (with the potential for an even more specialized dd, perhaps something that focuses on single target jumpinglance action) and the indubitably large portion of the community that wants their wyvern back gets it! More diversitiy, imo, is always good. The more choices we have, the less qq'ing we'll do. Hell, I think most of us would be happy is if all SE did was give us the option of a pretty little wyvern, and left every single damage calculation exactly the same, just had 80% of it show up in the log as teh drg and 20% as the wyvern making it purely aesthetic. That's not ideal, but surely it doesn't hurt anyone.

Also, to the loremongers--they're completely destroying and reforming the entire world, introducing new playable genders (and a new race i think?), presumably blowing up dalmund, and a billion other epic changes, can we really not give them the license to add a line explaining the slim possibility of a dragon that isn't hell bent on eating us?

[Zenaku]

Had two one without a pet and one with pet and make it so they both good for diff reason but still make the one without a pet good enough so people don't bitch about why do i have to use the drg with pet when i dislike that blah blah blah.

i don't know why you people complain about the dumbest thing simple thing can be fix by allowing everyone to have what they want it's a mmo the game should not be play one way or the other if both are added then it be fun for everyone.

[Hyrist]

The problem with that scenario is that now you're balancing a job twice for half the potential game play. So no, that's simply not feasible.

The decisions pretty much been made on this issue, and FFXImongers keep thinking if they rock the boat enough it'll matter any.

Problem is, they're still outweighed by those who truly want a Kain style dragoon. And no amount of lore-bashing or 'hail 2.0 will solve all our problems' will change that.

The best way to have your cake and eat it too in this case is to create a battle-mount like Chocobos and Magitek Armor, as I sated on this issue a year ago. This way it has no impact on the job's performance what so ever, can be balanced as it's own independent element in the game, and keep those who do not want to deal with a wyvern pet far and away from the possibility.

This request is being done for aesthetic reasons only, and does not merit a job rewrite even an optional one. That's too many man hours to redo work that's already been done when the request can be met by other means currently in development.

[Skies]

Okay i'm going to be a bad man right now. I'll just point you guys to the quest "The Boy and the Dragon Gay", the Level 30 Alchemist Class Quest.

Go look it up, and then proceed with discussion.

(I'm still far in favor of a Kain-style Dragoon, but here's some food for thought)

[Zenaku]

The problem with that scenario is that now you're balancing a job twice for half the potential game play. So no, that's simply not feasible.

The decisions pretty much been made on this issue, and FFXImongers keep thinking if they rock the boat enough it'll matter any.

Problem is, they're still outweighed by those who truly want a Kain style dragoon. And no amount of lore-bashing or 'hail 2.0 will solve all our problems' will change that.

The best way to have your cake and eat it too in this case is to create a battle-mount like Chocobos and Magitek Armor, as I sated on this issue a year ago. This way it has no impact on the job's performance what so ever, can be balanced as it's own independent element in the game, and keep those who do not want to deal with a wyvern pet far and away from the possibility.

This request is being done for aesthetic reasons only, and does not merit a job rewrite even an optional one. That's too many man hours to redo work that's already been done when the request can be met by other means currently in development.

Ya but you do understand that each class would get more then one job anyways right? Like how Pug later would get PUP and would have monk? and they be balancing two or more jobs for two or more diff reason one would be a pet class and one would be single dps and other could be a buff. Just how ARC would later get ranger and would also have bard for all we know.

So once again i don't see why they can't be two DRG like how each class going to have more then one job. I see CONJ getting SCH later on so they can be WHM and SCH.

End of story when they add pet jobs add one for Lancer with a dragon so everyone is happy "The End" problem fix

[Krausus]

Ya but you do understand that each class would get more then one job anyways right? Like how Pug later would get PUP and would have monk? and they be balancing two or more jobs for two or more diff reason one would be a pet class and one would be single dps and other could be a buff. Just how ARC would later get ranger and would also have bard for all we know.

So once again i don't see why they can't be two DRG like how each class going to have more then one job. I see CONJ getting SCH later on so they can be WHM and SCH.

End of story when they add pet jobs add one for Lancer with a dragon so everyone is happy "The End" problem fix

yeah because I'm sure that the FFXIV community wouldn't rage if they told us our second job choice is ...*drumroll* dragoon! with a pet! while every other class gets access to a second real job.

[Hyrist]

yeah because I'm sure that the FFXIV community wouldn't rage if they told us our second job choice is ...*drumroll* dragoon! with a pet! while every other class gets access to a second real job.

My point exactly. And honestly, there's not much we can branch off from Lancer Historically job wise.

Within the current Armory system, a second polearm 'Job' does not seem likely.

Other jobs with weapons feasable can do so fairly easily if we look at it.

Gladiator - > Red Mage.

Conjurer - > Summoner

Thamaturge - > Scholar

Pugilist - > Ninja (or Thief)

Archer - > Ranger

Warrior - > Beastmaster

All could follow the archetypes and weapon usages more than passably, with the only exception being Ninja, which could just wield Katars instead of 1 handed Katana.

Lancer? May have to go with Samurai, but would that be ok for the Katana-loving Samurai users?

This points more to the flaws in the Armory system as it stands, which throws a wrench in the idea that each Class will be getting additional straight jobs.

Trying to create cross weapon classes or jobs that can equip more than one base weapon will be a balancing nightmare, however. More than likely we will continue to see the 1 Class > 1 Job transition in spite of previous 'talks' about conceiving multiple jobs from classes. (They weren't straight out doing it, they were discussing the matter.) And we will see weapon variants that can be equipped by more than one class without changing their skillset. (Meaning if a Gladiator equips a Rapier they share with Fencer, they're not suddenly going to get a fencer's skillset with that weapon.) The problem with that of course is how they designate Classes and Jobs, which right now are primarily tied to weapons.

No matter what, we're likely looking towards a Armory System overhaul in the far off future (likely beyond 2.0 release.) Which really does not make the concept of creating Wyverns specifically for Dragoons any more likely. You're more likely going to see a Beastmaster be able to equip a spear and summon a Wyvern pet than Dragoons getting pets as part of its root mechanics.

[Skies]

Lancer, actually, would really, really fit having Dark Knight as second job. In fact, it has fitting abilities (Blood for Blood to sacrifice HP for damage, Life Surge to drain) and hey, everyone's* favorite MMO also gave us canon for Dark Knights using Scythes, which would be pretty much polearms.

So there, not a big deal, see?

[Krausus]

Lancer, actually, would really, really fit having Dark Knight as second job. In fact, it has fitting abilities (Blood for Blood to sacrifice HP for damage, Life Surge to drain) and hey, everyone's* favorite MMO also gave us canon for Dark Knights using Scythes, which would be pretty much polearms.

So there, not a big deal, see?

yeah I was thinking DRK as well and wasn't Pikeman a job in tactics or something they could also branch off into something new as well, halberdier, spear man (ranged class), jouster (mounted class). then again look at bard they can easily find ways to tie classes into something you wouldn't normally think of.

[Skies]

yeah I was thinking DRK as well and wasn't Pikeman a job in tactics or something they could also branch off into something new as well, halberdier, spear man (ranged class), jouster (mounted class). then again look at bard they can easily find ways to tie classes into something you wouldn't normally think of.

Oh, no, FFT had Lancer, which was pretty much Dragoon, it had nothing but Jump.
Of course, the other lance-wielder class in FFTA was the Templar, which was an anti-mage. Another good idea for a job.