Miser Fight post-patch

[Holyomen]

Cause that's what you do right? smartass.

That was a compliment.

[darkstarpoet1]

Nope. Miser runs away only once and our MNK's do 26k damage easily. It usually only a 5-6min fight for us.

The problem here is not my tanking ability. I know how to tank well. It's the hate problem now that mnk is just way too over powered.

I had a little better luck with PLD thankfully. So I guess i'll switch before miser.

just to point out the inaccuracies here. first the mistress will move at the 2 min mark, the 4 min mark, and if you get to 6 min it moves a 3rd time. it's exactly as people stated. it can be beaten in under 2 min if you are really doing good dps(ask blue garter) and even with average dps the fight should be done in less than 4 min.

[Maxthunder]

This. WAR isn't supposed to be a boss tank.

Really guess what the groups I run with still dont use a PLD to tank in av or cc. WAR can still tank, and until SE fixes PLD you wont see many groups useing it for speed runs. Nerfing other jobs is the only way SE has been trying to fix PLD as well as adding a few buffs here and there. SE cant seem to learn from its mistakes and this will continue until they do. If players want a PLD tank than they need to tell SE to fix PLD w/o nerfing other jobs ie : WAR!!

[Maxthunder]

they're not limiting u to one tank, as u can see WAR and PLD can tank, each one has their pros and cons, but u have two jobs to choose no just one.
PLD = Better hate control
WAR = Better DMG
In my opinion I like more the PLD as tank, because DDs can get mad with DMG haha =)

DD's need to learn control and not pull hate its that simple!!

[Crimzon]

This is a parse from that fight from the other night post hotfix. Setup was WAR 4xMNK BLM WHM BRD.

The Morbol was killed before it even moved once and our WAR tank (Neridine) never lost hate on it.

If your MNKs are getting 26k-32k total damage on the NM, then the fight is dragging out much too long and he is regening too much....BUT that also means that your MNKs DPS is a lot lower and holding hate as tank should be EASIER.

WAR tank is still very much viable for this fight (and others), and if there are hate issues, it is because the specific tank is not up to par, not because the class cannot hold hate.

[Soukyuu]

DD's need to learn control and not pull hate its that simple!!

If the tank doesn't generate enough hate, it's not a good tank. If another class can generate more hate more reliably, it should be used as a tank instead. Having DDs slow down to not pull hate only makes them underperform, which means less damage and slower kills.

If PLD can generate enough hate so that DDs don't have to hold back at all, it might be the better choice. So far people seem to be sticking with "WAR still can tank, you must suck" (exaggeratedly put), instead of testing PLD thoroughly and comparing them. I myself am not playing PLD nor WAR because I don't like the tanking role so don't look at me for actual test cases.

Best would be parsing the total dps of the group, using WAR + DDs and PLD +DDs a couple of rounds and get an average.

[KumaAkuma]

Tanking Mistress just fine;

[indira]

how about that monk hold back like a good DD would do. everyone knows a DD will take hate in any mmo if they go all out.

not all tanks will hold 100% hate

[darkstarpoet1]

This is a parse from that fight from the other night post hotfix. Setup was WAR 4xMNK BLM WHM BRD.

The Morbol was killed before it even moved once and our WAR tank (Neridine) never lost hate on it.

If your MNKs are getting 26k-32k total damage on the NM, then the fight is dragging out much too long and he is regening too much....BUT that also means that your MNKs DPS is a lot lower and holding hate as tank should be EASIER.

WAR tank is still very much viable for this fight (and others), and if there are hate issues, it is because the specific tank is not up to par, not because the class cannot hold hate.

thank you for posting the parse results to show proof, but you know that facts are never allowed in these forums. some people you could show the video and the parse results and they will still claim that something cannot be done. 5-6 min fight and they claim their dps is just fine..........

either the dps from those 26k monks is really low or they take forever getting the mistress to move out of the water because the numbers don't add up.

edit: i'm guessing ruri and king were blm and brd respectively and they are responsible for the slugs in case mistress moves and the blm is holding back mp to make sure sleepaga is ready if it does move?

[Delsus]

This is a parse from that fight from the other night post hotfix. Setup was WAR 4xMNK BLM WHM BRD.

The Morbol was killed before it even moved once and our WAR tank (Neridine) never lost hate on it.

If your MNKs are getting 26k-32k total damage on the NM, then the fight is dragging out much too long and he is regening too much....BUT that also means that your MNKs DPS is a lot lower and holding hate as tank should be EASIER.

WAR tank is still very much viable for this fight (and others), and if there are hate issues, it is because the specific tank is not up to par, not because the class cannot hold hate.

How dare you post facts Crim, but yeah OP, your MNKs dps is way low, if you are loosing hate then your tank skills must be extra sucky because of the lower dps than groups that have no problems tanking.