job balancing discussion (1.22a-hotfix)

[Raikki]

They have always been viable and we already proven they are viable before on our all job speedruns. But, people still thinks class stackings are SE's faulty. I just like to remind people everytime they bitch.

Also i am not sure why are trying to pointing out the timer for, it's as simple as proving they are viable and possible. Slower? sure. But if spending 4minutes more means people get to play the job they like. I am all for it. I am not trying to judge you, but maybe you won't be so bitter all the time if you try to play for fun sometimes and still accomplish things, instead of the cookie cutter setup. I apologize though if you happen to actually like the cookie cutter setup.

Is this a joke post? It's not SE's fault that using PLD is measurably inferior? Really? Come on now. If I'm "bitter" it's because drop rates are abysmal and content has to be cleared hundreds of times. You'd have to be a fool to deliberately make those hundreds of clears take longer than necessary by needlessly using an inferior group composition.

[Chardrizard]

Is this a joke post? It's not SE's fault that using PLD is measurably inferior? Really? Come on now. If I'm "bitter" it's because drop rates are abysmal and content has to be cleared hundreds of times. You'd have to be a fool to deliberately make those hundreds of clears take longer than necessary by needlessly using an inferior group composition.

I never said PLD is superior, do they need improvement? yes, for sure. But, i never touched anything on that subject.

So moving on to actually what i was talking about, There is just more than to efficiency when it comes to doing stuff, when you gather a bunch of folks that thinks like you, nobody minds 4min longer, you were talking as if using a PLD or any inferior setup means we suddenly takes 15min longer and waste a potentially another speedrun.

Grinding darklight isn't fun, grinding darklight while playing a class you do not like is even worse, i am just making it less painful and bearable. I hope the concept of playing for fun isn't new to you.

The other day i went MNK to Garuda, we had very very close kills (by that i mean almost 10min kill and almost did not get speedrun) but nobody minded, because people are having fun trying out new stuff.

[DarkB]

I never said PLD is superior, do they need improvement? yes, for sure. But, i never touched anything on that subject.

So moving on to actually what i was talking about, There is just more than to efficiency when it comes to doing stuff, when you gather a bunch of folks that thinks like you, nobody minds 4min longer, you were talking as if using a PLD or any inferior setup means we suddenly takes 15min longer and waste a potentially another speedrun.

Grinding darklight isn't fun, grinding darklight while playing a class you do not like is even worse, i am just making it less painful and bearable. I hope the concept of playing for fun isn't new to you.

The other day i went MNK to Garuda, we had very very close kills (by that i mean almost 10min kill and almost did not get speedrun) but nobody minded, because people are having fun trying out new stuff.

What you say applies for the few initial tries you do things. After 40 runs you kinda get bored annoyed and frustrated from a non efficient party.
You said yourself that farming darklight isnt fun, so explain me how it is more fun to farm it with slower and less efficient party?

For example, take the Ifrit NPC where you trade the lamp. After 200 ifrit you get bored to talk to him 3 times each to get a new lamp. This is called efficiency, why cant they just give you xp and direcly ask if you want another lamp? 1 click , 5 seconds done.

Same goes for jobs, class stacking is SE fault because they seem to not play the game and just listen to people in forums. Again you do things with your friends for fun the first times, thats fine, but after a bit you see that going with 6 blms 1 war 1 whm is 3x times faster than going with other jobs, why on earth would you frustrate yourself, waste time, risk to lose, going with another setup?
Makes no sense.

The more you play the game, the more you repeat the tasks, the more you repeat the content, the less time you wanna spend doing it, so you always try the fastest/more efficient way to do it. Especially cause we all are paying for the game.
I have no fun to waste minutes to speakin to NPCs and do repetitive and boring stuff because they dont have an efficient development team, same thing applies to job balancing and class stacking.

Do 300 ifrits then you'll tell me how boring it is to get a 20 minutes kill when you can kill it in 3 minutes with blms/war.