Best bow for ARC/BRD

[NoctisUmbra]

A few points you seem to miss.
It is perfectly possible for the highest base damage weapon and highest dps weapon to be the very same weapon. which kind of invalidates your point a little bit. while at present it tends not to be the case with the present selection but it is totally possible for them to be the very same. as for a clearly superior weapon i disagree.

With experience between my friends and what ive read of noctis's posts the better weapon between ifrits . garudas seems to be heavily impacted on play style. in the parses and things i refer to in my earlier post i with my ifrits bow consistently would deal 7-8k more damage at the end of the fight than people using garudas. those same ppl using ifrits would close that gap substantially.as for my parses for the most part i never bothered saving them because although a parse does tell you how much dmage you do it doesnt tell you who was using what weapon.

Where noctis states his performance increases using a garudas bow leads me to believe his style of playing bard is different to others and in this style his spine may be superior. this i find truly interesting. though i have ever parsed against noctis to compare results it truly seems to suggest there are in fact multiple ways in which to play a job effectively and in this case there really is no clearly superior weapon and that in my opinion is exactly how it should be. it suggest a true choice in weapons where there is no clearly superior option.

one other point here is that tp in this game is cumulative and a very different system than it was in xi. in xi for example if you earnt 18tp a hit then it took you 6 hits to get 100% the trouble here is that 6x 18 = 108tp and thus when you pop your ws the 8 tp was lost. in xiv however its less impactfull because tp is cumulative and carries. if i earn 450 tp per shot for example then sure it takes 3 shots to break 1000 but when i pop a ws the extra 350 tp stays and thus in 2 shots i again have 1250 tp so can again ws. so whether or not your bow generats 450 tp a shot or 500 doesnt have quite the impact over time that you seem to think it does.

Finally, someone who understands.

Spider Dan seems to be missing a lot of what I'm trying to explain, but ultimately it's a wasted effort on my end. You are more than welcome to go ahead and test your Spine versus your Ifrit's Bow and make up your own mind. I've made up mine based on my own testing and nobody in my LS, and we all parse every endgame content, has disagreed with the numbers I've been putting out since my switch.

You can wait for someone else to do your testing for you and post info, but please don't try to argue against a system while demonstrating a lack of understanding of the details and a lack of personal testing done on the matter.

[Spider-Dan]

Spider Dan seems to be missing a lot of what I'm trying to explain, but ultimately it's a wasted effort on my end. You are more than welcome to go ahead and test your Spine versus your Ifrit's Bow and make up your own mind. I've made up mine based on my own testing and nobody in my LS, and we all parse every endgame content, has disagreed with the numbers I've been putting out since my switch.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what your claim is.

Is it that best-DPS weapons don't always win in the current system? Given that you've repeatedly stated that you're using one of the best DPS weapons in the game, I don't see how you could possibly prove that with your testing.

Is it that best-DMG weapons always won before? Garuda's didn't exist and there wasn't any ARC-centric content that relied on AA (LS) for the majority of damage output.

You can wait for someone else to do your testing for you and post info, but please don't try to argue against a system while demonstrating a lack of understanding of the details and a lack of personal testing done on the matter.

The difference between you and I is that you claim to be backed by testing, yet steadfastly refuse to post any actual data to back you up. This is not proof of any kind.

[NoctisUmbra]

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what your claim is.

Is it that best-DPS weapons don't always win in the current system? Given that you've repeatedly stated that you're using one of the best DPS weapons in the game, I don't see how you could possibly prove that with your testing.

Is it that best-DMG weapons always won before? Garuda's didn't exist and there wasn't any ARC-centric content that relied on AA (LS) for the majority of damage output.


The difference between you and I is that you claim to be backed by testing, yet steadfastly refuse to post any actual data to back you up. This is not proof of any kind.

My point is that some people do in fact produce better numbers with Ifrit's Bow apparently. I've heard enough people with both bows say so to give it fair thought. Also I know how much of a difference I make between the 2 bows and its not a great difference.

That being said, I have no intention of trying to convince you of anything, or anyone else for that matter. In fact I have repeatedly told you to test the 2 bows and make up your own mind. That's what I have done. This debate we're having here is just plain old fun for me in a way lol.

The difference between you and I is that you haven't even so much as suggested that you've compared the Spine versus Ifrit's Bow yourself and come to the conclusion that the Spine wins due to DPS, whereas I have tested the two and come to the conclusion that it does even tho it requires more hands-on.

[Spider-Dan]

Also I know how much of a difference I make between the 2 bows and its not a great difference.

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In fact I have repeatedly told you to test the 2 bows and make up your own mind. That's what I have done.

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The difference between you and I is that you haven't even so much as suggested that you've compared the Spine versus Ifrit's Bow yourself and come to the conclusion that the Spine wins due to DPS, whereas I have tested the two and come to the conclusion that it does even tho it requires more hands-on.

The reason why you don't hear me making claims about which bow does what is because I don't have the data to prove it. And without the data, you're just stating your personal opinion, not substantiated fact.

Also: if your own "testing" shows that Garuda's wins (as you just said)... then what, exactly, are you arguing about? The higher DPS bow wins, exactly as I have been saying.

[NoctisUmbra]

The reason why you don't hear me making claims about which bow does what is because I don't have the data to prove it. And without the data, you're just stating your personal opinion, not substantiated fact.

Also: if your own "testing" shows that Garuda's wins (as you just said)... then what, exactly, are you arguing about? The higher DPS bow wins, exactly as I have been saying.

/sigh........