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    Ifrit is dead. What OTHER avatars would you like as Summoner?

    Whenever I hear/read discussions about Summoners in FFXIV 2.0, I always hear the same thing: "It won't be Summoner if we can't summon the celestial avatars from XI, but they've already been adapted as the elemental Primals in XIV! What's the point of adding Summoner if the lore says we can't summon those?!" Thread after thread is then made voicing the complaint, "FIX THE LORE IF YOU MUST, BUT WE NEED TO SUMMON THE CELESTIAL AVATARS OF XI."

    Sorry, fellow XI fans, but we're going to have to accept that it's time to move on. You can fight it all you want, but every game has to have its own lore -- otherwise it's just a remake or a sequel, neither of which XIV is intended to be. The devs are not likely to change this intention. As XIV must have its own lore in order to stand on its own, new lore also dictates that we should expect different avatars in XIV. This has been the case in every single Final Fantasy game so far.

    (And with that in mind, if your love of Summoners comes only from your love for those eight celestial characters from XI, rather than your love of Summoner's ability to summon, then you should already be happy. Those eight beloved characters are already being included for you to witness in this game. They've been omitted from more Final Fantasy games than they ever appeared in, and they could have just as easily been omitted from this game completely, but they weren't. With that in mind, the fact that these characters are being included in XIV, let alone that we also get to fight them the same way that we did in XI, feels to me like a very generous tip of the hat, and is already far more than we ever should have expected.)

    If a Summoner class is added to XIV, then we're going to have to accept that this game will provide players with its own unique mix of things to summon. Rather than cry to the devs in futility about how difficult it is for us to accept change and new ideas, why don't we simply accept that this particular change is inevitable? We can still be heard as a part of the Summoner development process! We just need to give the devs some new ideas, which they actually CAN listen to and use.

    With that being said, I propose that those who are interested in a Summoner class start to offer some actual constructive ideas regarding the possible avatars of XIV's potential Summoner. Use this thread to cast your vote on which avatars you would like to one-day see summoned in XIV, excluding the elemental Primals that already exist in FFXIV lore.

    To start you off with some ideas, I've compiled a list of the summons that have already appeared in Final Fantasy games. As FFXIV lore is not likely to permit Primals to be summoned by individual players, I have excluded Ifrit, Garuda, Titan, Leviathan, and Odin from this list. I also excluded the likely Primals of Ramuh, Shiva, and Alexander based on the assumption that XI's celestials will continue the trend of appearing as XIV's Primals.

    Abaddon
    Adrammelech
    Ahriman
    Alraune
    Angelo
    Anima
    Aquarius
    Argy
    Ark
    Asura
    Atomos
    Bahamut
    Bahamut Fury
    Bahamut ZERO
    Balasa
    Barbariccia
    Behemoth
    Belias
    Bismarck
    Boko
    Bomb
    Brothers
    Brynhildr
    Cactoid
    Cactuar
    Cagnazzo
    Cait Sith
    Calcabrina
    Carbuncle
    Catoblepas
    Cerberus
    Chaos
    Chimera
    Chocobo
    Cockatrice
    Coeurl
    Crusader
    Cu Sith
    Cuchulainn
    Cyclops
    Death Knight
    Deathgaze
    Demon Wall
    Diabolos
    Djinn
    Doomtrain
    Dragon
    Eden
    Exodus
    Faerie
    Famfrit
    Fenrir
    Garchimacera
    Giant of Babil
    Giga-Phoenix
    Gigas
    Gilgamesh
    Gnoam
    Goblin
    Golem
    Gun Dragon
    Hades
    Hashmal
    Hecatoncheir
    Iron Giant
    Ixion
    Ixion Type-Zero
    Kain
    KigenDragon
    Kirin
    Kjata
    Knights of the Round
    Kraken
    Lakshmi
    Lamia
    Land Worm
    Lich
    Little Pirate
    Madeen
    Maduin
    Magic Pot
    Malboro
    Mandragora
    Marilith
    Mateus
    Meteor Master
    Midgarsomr
    Mindflayer
    Mini Mog
    Minion
    Moogles
    Moomba
    Mu
    Ochu
    Omega
    Palom
    Pandemona
    Phantom
    Phoenix
    PuPu
    Quetzalii
    Quezacoatl
    Ragnarok
    Raiden
    Ramih
    Remora
    Rubicante
    Sagittarius
    Sahagin
    Salamander
    Scarmiglione
    Scorpion
    Seraph
    Shade
    Shemhazai
    Shinryu
    Shivan
    Shivar
    Siren
    Six to eight different lesser elementals already present in XIV
    Sphere
    SwordDragon
    Syldra
    Sylph
    Tentacle
    The Magus Sisters
    Tiamat
    Tonberry
    Tri-Disaster
    Typhoon
    Ultima
    Ultros
    Unicorn
    Valefor
    Valigarmanda
    White Hare
    Whyt
    Wyvern
    Yojimbo
    Zalera
    Zeromus
    Zodiark
    Zona Seeker

    That's a long, rich history of summonable avatars, all of which existed previously as summons somewhere in Final Fantasy's lengthy past. They were all fun to summon in the games that they appeared in, and they all have the potential to be made into something fun again.

    So let's move on from the futile push for summoning XI's celestial avatars, and start giving the devs some input about Summoners that they actually CAN use! Let's offer some ideas for avatars that they actually CAN implement! Cast your votes on what "new" summons you would like to see by posting here. Make your voice heard, and let's get to talking!

    Note: The above list is just ideas from past games to start you off. You're not limited to picking ideas from those that are on this list. Brand new ideas, descriptions, and illustrations are all welcome input as well!
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    Last edited by Raymeo; 05-22-2012 at 09:01 AM.