If lvl 2 is hard for a pickup and a good group gets about 30k.... what the heck are people gonna do for lvl 5? I would think that getting level 3 and even doing poorly as a good group would net you better chances at items, but still allow a group to pull off a win. though it would prolly take some time/patience and a good strat. As of yet, I see a lot of people holding "their way/strat" close to their chest to be "top group". I can only imagine what type of hurting those Lvl 5 would put on my gear.