Integrity matters

[Turtledeluxe]

I'm pretty sure it got deleted because you literally offered to link people to real life CSAM while ironically accusing them of being "the real pedos all along". You got so blinded by your own self-righteous zealotry you self-immolated.

Frankly I'm shocked your account is even still intact (which seems like an actual failing of the moderation team), but more importantly, I don't think anyone believes for a second that you actually care about child victims, and you're no better than Anonemoose where you're trying to use a horrible incident to push an ulterior motive.

And since you're no better, the same task falls to you. If fictional depictions of criminal acts is all you need to accuse a company and community wholesale of engaging in real life fictional crimes, then I better start seeing you spewing other accusations right here and now, including the audacity of playing Final Fantasy 14 itself and all of its "enabling and encouraging" content that the base game provides, no mods required.

No he didn't. Why are you such a liar? On the one hand you call your fetish just normal. But when he offers to link to it, it is suddenly CSAM. Who exactly are you performing for? No one sane cares for these rants. I didn't even read it after this lie.

Maybe you think if you type enough words, the mods will believe you or something, I'm not sure.

[Kishin12345]

Nobody looks at an Ultimate title or Savage weapon and think “wow, they’re good”, they wonder which plugins they used

Who would even think like that? If you see someone who only cleared uwu or ucob then maybe, but if you see someone who cleared the actual ultimates then i gotta tell you that they are a huge achievement and accomplishment. I cleared all ults except DMU and i play on console and the people i cleared with don't use anything either. More than half of my group is on console. And let me tell you, everyone in my group is actually good at the game.

If you use any cheats or whatever, then that kind of defeats the purpose of doing an ultimate at all. If its just the weapon or title you want then why would you clear it and not just mod the weapon or title? Does'nt make any sense.

[Turtledeluxe]

Yes, they did. They outright offered to link us to the Discord and such claiming it was "full of CSAM" because they thought it would be all the proof they needed to make us side with them (while praising them as some kind of hero no doubt). Nobody with any sense took the offer obviously, and even attempted to correct them again that loli/shota content isn't "real CSAM" and they should use proper wording, but they nonetheless insisted it was real and they had links to it. It's not lying to use THEIR OWN WORDS and if they don't want to be accused of trying to peddle "real CSAM" then the onus is on them to describe things accurately... not that they should be offering to link people to loli/shota content either, since that's still against the ToS.

And it's not a matter of performance, it's just taking people to task that if they're going to demand others abide by some kind of standard, the least they can do is follow their own damn rules instead of all this blithering self-righteous hypocrisy. It's precisely because of this that they keep getting labeled as trolls or disingenuous, because they're not speaking from a place of sincerity, but from a place they conveniently move when things aren't going their way, including the part where they falsely accuse anyone they disagree with as being "pedophiles and their sympathizers".

Well if defending loli/shota content makes me a pedophile, then defending Final Fantast 14 makes me a psychopath, because unlike them I don't selectively pick and choose which pieces of fictional content are acceptable or deplorable because I happen to like or dislike those things. Either all of this fictional content is inducing criminal activity, or none of it is. Simple as that.

I'm not reading all that, and again, no, he did not. People commonly call your fetish that because that's what they regard it as it's just not that in legal terms.

[Thurmnmurmn]

I'm not reading all that, and again, no, he did not. People commonly call your fetish that because that's what they regard it as it's just not that in legal terms.

No one can prove who's right or wrong here unless someone took a screenshot. But I will say, that I also have seen them post that they could link it as proof.

[Turtledeluxe]

If anyone can prove that is true or if they admit that they did that then that makes them a troll because that doesn't make any sense. Discord analyzes chats and images and reports you to the tipline afaik. There can be a delay in response for obvious reasons but if that person knew of it, then it simply is evidence that they could link to. it doesn't necessarily mean that they're in possession of it. Also, I agree that if something like that was done, they would be suspended, but perhaps not since it remained an empty threat. In any case, I never saw anything like that but I actually did avoid the thread once people started talking about fiction not being reality for quite a few pages. When I read their posts, I interpreted it to mean references to loli content but it was hyperbole.

Even if they said "actual CSAM" it can still mean the fictional content because a lot of people in that thread were using it interchangeably. But I will let them defend themselves.

Also loli content is not technically illegal (in the US and many places). In US there's only been one prosecuted case and otherwise remains a contentious area, I assume because the one case mentioned ambiguity of proving a fictional character is a minor. They also barely punished that guy and he ended up charged with obscenity only.

[TeresaFortell]

Yes, they did. They outright offered to link us to the Discord and such claiming it was "full of CSAM" because they thought it would be all the proof they needed to make us side with them (while praising them as some kind of hero no doubt). Nobody with any sense took the offer obviously, and even attempted to correct them again that loli/shota content isn't "real CSAM" and they should use proper wording, but they nonetheless insisted it was real and they had links to it. It's not lying to use THEIR OWN WORDS and if they don't want to be accused of trying to peddle "real CSAM" then the onus is on them to describe things accurately... not that they should be offering to link people to loli/shota content either, since that's still against the ToS.

And it's not a matter of performance, it's just taking people to task that if they're going to demand others abide by some kind of standard, the least they can do is follow their own damn rules instead of all this blithering self-righteous hypocrisy. It's precisely because of this that they keep getting labeled as trolls or disingenuous, because they're not speaking from a place of sincerity, but from a place they conveniently move when things aren't going their way, including the part where they falsely accuse anyone they disagree with as being "pedophiles and their sympathizers".

Well if defending loli/shota content makes me a pedophile, then defending Final Fantast 14 makes me a psychopath, because unlike them I don't selectively pick and choose which pieces of fictional content are acceptable or deplorable because I happen to like or dislike those things. Either all of this fictional content is inducing criminal activity, or none of it is. Simple as that.

Yes, because it really wasn't the central issue in the exposé the accuser released. The main problem is that the game became a platform for these like-minded individuals to find each other and carry out those activities outside the game. This is shown in the evidence presented in the exposé. In my opinion, this is a far more concerning problem that needs to be addressed.

[Kup]

Well if defending loli/shota content makes me a pedophile

Yeah, it does. Lol. It'd be good if we stopped using foreign words that mask or mitigate the malicious and creepy meaning of the content to describe these things and just said it in English. "Well if defending young girl (child)/young boy (child) content makes me a pedophile". Again, yep. Sure does lmao. Or at best it makes you a pedo defender, I suppose.

The rest of your comment is entirely unhinged, ironic and hypocritical too. This might be the absolute most ridiculous post in this entire thread on either side of the aisle and that's saying a lot. If your brain wasn't so rotten and warped you'd be embarrassed into never commenting again and seeking professional help by what you said in that post. I'd say it wasn't worth my time addressing or stooping so low as to insult you and stray from purely discussion based posts, but I'm waiting for my lunch to cook and I got a good laugh at how weird you are. By the way, being intellectually disingenuous really only works if you're intelligent to begin with so maybe just give up on that angle.

Regardless of what your little bubble tells you, you and people like you are not normal at all and the vast majority of people think you're super creepy. Oh, and also go look up the word nuance since you clearly don't understand it.

This thread is SO getting nuked at this rate.

[Mouthbone]

Well if defending loli/shota content makes me a pedophile

This community is never beating the allegations

[Aviatorhead]

You apparently skipped over the part where by your same logic I would also be a psychopath, or a zoophile, or lord knows what else depending on what other pieces of fictional media you want submitted as evidence.

Hell, by your own admission, you're equally guilty because you insist that fictional media is admissible at all. If that sounds "intellectually disingenuous" to you, then congratulations, you're on the precipice of understanding why equating fiction to reality is completely absurd. You're almost there, just keep thinking about it..

I am not arguing with you, I am telling you. So don't expect a response.

Do you not see the difference between these things? Media with murder in it is everywhere. Anthropomorphic animals have existed and have been considered Fine since the dawn of freaking time (all the way back to egypt)

There is no version of loli/sho that has ever been considered fine. It is used to groom children. It is used to make adults like children. Your grand pooba government saying it's legal means nothing, it's legal in some countries to kill people for being gay, and I would shit on someone just as hard as I would you for thinking that sort of argument means anything.

Inb4 the 'thought crimes' losers show up; stops being a thought when you make it physical and put it on the internet for everyone to see.

This is not a mods problem. This is an issue that would exist regardless. That thread was deleted because literally the second post was op explaining where to go to find fictional CSAM mods, and half the discussion was people like yall tryna justify their existence. I reported it because that's fking disgusting, let alone to have it on the front page of the forum bc y'all can't help but have your stupid arguement over whether it's chill to wank it to fictional kids.

I hate both sides of that argument but the side trying their damndest to make it sound like enjoying horror movies or playing Doom is on par with watching fake CSAM take the cake. You sound stupid and I regret agreeing with you on anything if this is your mentality.

[Kup]

You apparently skipped over the part where by your same logic I would also be a psychopath, or a zoophile, or lord knows what else depending on what other pieces of fictional media you want submitted as evidence.

Hell, by your own admission, you're equally guilty because you insist that fictional media is admissible at all. If that sounds "intellectually disingenuous" to you, then congratulations, you're on the precipice of understanding why equating fiction to reality is completely absurd. You're almost there, just keep thinking about it.
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I'm pretty sure they don't permit any porn here period, fictional or otherwise. But its hypocritical nonsense for me to act like the lolicon is a danger to society but give my own furry self a free pass, among other examples.
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I'm aware the law differs in other countries, but that just strikes me as insane that any intelligent peoples would deem fictional content of any kind as a criminal act, and if they've gone after one kind of fictional content, they WILL go after other kinds as well. These types never stop at one "icky" thing because they consider damn everything to be gross or impressionable.

Of course it's also those same laws that make it difficult for people outside of those countries to ascertain if real CSAM was involved because we have people treating fictional content as "the same thing" and then those same people try to conflate modders as being "pedophiles by default" regardless of the kinds of mods they use. They've basically turned the word into an aimless cudgel, and its hard to tell if they used it against actual child predators or just anyone they didn't like.
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I can not, will not, in good conscience defend one type of fictional content while condemning the other, or accuse one type of encouraging bad actors but claim the other induces nothing. Either its all bad or none of it is, I will not play favoritism with this.

Holy moly, you couldn't waterboard some of the things you've said out of me. The mental gymnastics you've done to think yourself moral and respond like this to anyone you're responding to or why you're even trying to defend such a weak position at all is wild. I didn't skip over anything by the way, it was actually addressed too. Clearly you don't, wouldn't and can't get why or how but you're just digging yourself deeper on this topic.