Phantom Philleter - FFXIV GAME DESIGN PROBLEMS

[Gwenkatsu]

There's a lot of stuff in this game I will never get, since I don't deal with the sort of content it's locked behind.
As it is my own decision to not deal with that content, I'm totally fine with it. But maybe that's just me.

[Ankhira]

Instead you attempt to talk down, belittle and cry entitlement over items that belong to crafters and should be obtained through CRAFTING ACHIEVEMENT. Thank you.

Where did I talk down and belittle? I just provided facts that crafting is a big part of the game, just as battle content is and if you refuse to engage with one side, then you don't get to complain about not getting every reward. In fact, you saying :

items that belong to crafters

just proves how entitled you really are. You're now throwing snark and insults at me because you can't handle the fact that nobody here shares your opinion so you have to twist their words to fit your narrative.

The person above your comment to mine gave a valid point "They could have just not given it to us at all" but you didn't like reasoning, all you want is people to agree with you because you think only your opinions are universal truths so you go "NOT RELEVANT."

You're just, as I said, entitled and love moving goalposts and twisting words. You refuse to see past your own inflated sense of importance. The game does not revolve around you, if you want to keep whining how "you deserve this" go and get it. If not, stop complaining. In the meantime, I'll glam the knife with joy knowing you're still complaining how you "Deserve it more."

I'm done engaging with you. You're clearly unwilling to be reasonable and refuse to acknowledge the "issue" here is you and not the game.

[Seraph_Variel]

Oh no! I guess the Kettle weapons should be locked out unless you did the zodiak zeta weapon on monk too, because bonus items that you get as a small bonus to completing a questline are completely outrageous and unreasonable if they're not for the job you do the content on.

Anyways, you're wrong, and stupid for thinking it's a game design problem. Give me a relic where an alternate method is to just bypass gerolt (aka, purchasing 1500 tomes worth of items) and make it myself, I'll take it.

[Kishin12345]

The Phantom Philleter is a culinarian off hand reward for doing OC North plus the long grind quest of the Phantom Relic. This type of combo forcing crafters to do battle content is everything that is wrong with the FFXIV reward structure. It is a way to force players into content they don't want to do. OC S was laughably unpopular within a few weeks and North hasn't been received too well either. The fact that these devs have to artificially inflate the player interaction by requiring more players (crafter mains) to do unpopular battle content on top of an already tedious phantom relic grind is baffling when it comes to the games design. Think about it like this: should battle content lovers be forced to do crafting to get their relics? No. That's ridiculous and uncalled for and makes zero sense for them to do so. Now, now folks this isn't just a glamour either this is the FIRST glamour of its type to exist other than a mog station knife glamour. The fact it's the first one and tied to battle content when it should ONLY be tied to crafting relics is a travesty and a major example at the devs being terrible at reward structures.

Edit: The Phantom Philleter is a purple quality item. It may be an offhand glamour but the game and accompanying websites list it as a RELIC offhand for culinarian.

No they dont force crafters to do OC. It is your choice, but they do indeed think that every player does every type of content of course.

[FateHollow]

I mean, sure why not? The grind is the same to me anyway, and I like it when they break the monotony of spamming dungeon roulette or doing 1000 FATEs.

Looking at how boring and grindy CE is, I am baffled as to why you whined about this super optional reward, when OC relic is arguably less tedious than CE. If you can survive CE, you can definitely do OC no problem.

I'm glad you agree with me. I don't mind it that way either but as it is right now theres a double standard also people cannot grasp that this offhand relic is the first of its kind and should have been given to crafters through their respective crafting achievements first. Yall cannot grasp the concept of a craft relic/shiny being the first of its type.. not being done through a crafting questline or crafting achievement. If they had many different kinds available to players then it wouldnt be a bit idea. Also I have no issue with the content as many have implied I have issue with the Devs putting the first relic glamour of its type behind noncrafting content.

[FateHollow]

Oh no! I guess the Kettle weapons should be locked out unless you did the zodiak zeta weapon on monk too, because bonus items that you get as a small bonus to completing a questline are completely outrageous and unreasonable if they're not for the job you do the content on.

Anyways, you're wrong, and stupid for thinking it's a game design problem. Give me a relic where an alternate method is to just bypass gerolt (aka, purchasing 1500 tomes worth of items) and make it myself, I'll take it.

Yes, yes insult those you don't agree with and use a fallacy while doing so. You're clearly the most intelligent around here so maybe you can grasp this: COMBAT WEAPON IS MANY, MONK PUNCHY FISTY IS IN THOUSANDS.. SHINY COOK KNIFE IS ONLY ONES.
That reward is a joke MONK FIST weapon obtained through combat relics quest/achievement: this is a CUL KNIFE obtained through combat relics quest/achievement. They are not equivalent you busted watermelon. There were ZERO relic/shiny offhands to ever exist before now. This would be like MONK never receiving a relic in the entire 13+ years of the game only for it to be given as a bonus reward for a lengthy culinarian quest. I hope that helps you understand.

[FateHollow]

No they dont force crafters to do OC. It is your choice, but they do indeed think that every player does every type of content of course.

It is the only shiny knife of its type. None other exist in the game. Since it is the only shiny and if you want it then you have to do it. Its kinda sorta forced as theres no optional route to obtain said knife and its badly designed. It makes zero sense to make your entire Dragoon relic through only crafting. You understand this right?

[FateHollow]

There's a lot of stuff in this game I will never get, since I don't deal with the sort of content it's locked behind.
As it is my own decision to not deal with that content, I'm totally fine with it. But maybe that's just me.

Sure thing bud. Everyone is free to do the content they want. While we're on that subject though.. Crafters should have their offhand relics by now. It's only been since what 13 years? Crafters deserve to have a shiny offhand relic. The fact they work hard on their relics and only get the main tool imo means they've only received HALF a relic. It's too bad they choose now to include said crafting relic as it's the first of its kind behind content that isn't associated - it should have been included as a new crafting questline and ALL offhands should get a shiny! THANKS FOR BEING A GOOD SPORT.

[FateHollow]

Where did I talk down and belittle? I just provided facts that crafting is a big part of the game, just as battle content is and if you refuse to engage with one side, then you don't get to complain about not getting every reward. In fact, you saying :



just proves how entitled you really are. You're now throwing snark and insults at me because you can't handle the fact that nobody here shares your opinion so you have to twist their words to fit your narrative.

The person above your comment to mine gave a valid point "They could have just not given it to us at all" but you didn't like reasoning, all you want is people to agree with you because you think only your opinions are universal truths so you go "NOT RELEVANT."

You're just, as I said, entitled and love moving goalposts and twisting words. You refuse to see past your own inflated sense of importance. The game does not revolve around you, if you want to keep whining how "you deserve this" go and get it. If not, stop complaining. In the meantime, I'll glam the knife with joy knowing you're still complaining how you "Deserve it more."

I'm done engaging with you. You're clearly unwilling to be reasonable and refuse to acknowledge the "issue" here is you and not the game.

wew mad much? Relics have been a thing for all classes but NOT crafters offhands. Relics are a special thing for everyone; thats not some sense of self importance or me being unreasonable it is only being fair. It's hilarious you can't see any different point of view while you call me unreasonable. I'm quite accepting of having combat and crafting glams/relics all over the place; just give us more offhands first. It's the rule of the game afterall - Relics have always been obtained through their respective class quest or content. Funny you call it self importance when its literally how the devs designed the game. L take. Thanks for participating and quitting on me cupcake. xoxo.

[FateHollow]

1. This is not a relic.

2. The current battle relic already involves crafting aspects, all of which required very high crafting stats and timed node materials at the time of release.

3. I'd be perfectly fine with crafting zones giving a few cool VFX weapon glams, actually, in fact that sounds like a great idea.

1. Its a relic according to SE and the purple color of the item denoting Relic tier.
2. I'm not referring to crafter supplying materials. They already do that all over the game with regular crafting. This isn't anything different and the devs really just needed an excuse for us to use our new relics which tbh you don't really need HIGH stats or relics to craft them either. I'm specifically talking about crafters FULLY crafting the entirety of combat relics through crafting only. It's silly isn't it?
3. I'm totally for that idea! I'd like more glamours and shinies but SE has always first given out relics to their respective classes through a quest line. More offhands should be provided first then let's dabble everywhere else to artificially boost player retention like they do PVP.